Downplaying future theme so that... - Page 5

Graywolves · 2012-04-11, 04:22 PM

The game doesn't have massive in your face science fiction magical realism outside of the VS. If people don't want to play a sci-fi themed game then they shouldn't play one set in the distant future. It's no big deal, no one starts an MMO and expects every family member in every house hold to enjoy it.

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Skitrel · 2012-04-11, 04:31 PM

Futuristic versus modern isn't the correct argument here, millions upon millions of people have played killzone and gears of war, both of which are fantastic franchises, both of which are "futuristic", in essence.

The difference and issue that people have isn't one of the game being futuristic, it's one of the game's aesthetic. "Modern" shooters as has been so put in this thread are dark and gritty. They're also mostly brown, barring Battlefield which has managed to cross modern shooters with a more colourful environment by the inclusion of extreme authenticity when it comes to weaponry, sound and the mechanics of the weaponry, not to mention the extreme profanity the soldiers spew at every possible opportunity solidifying them as realistic.

Planetside has more in common with Halo with it's visual aesthetic, it's cleaner, it's more colourful, it's less dark and gritty. As such it's viewed as unrealistic. This is in stark contrast with games like gears and killzone that are still extremely unrealistic but follow the dark gritty aesthetic and thus still attract the realism crowd.

There is absolutely no way to change this problem, the only way it can be changed is through demonstrating the gameplay that they want. People WILL take gameplay over aesthetics. The game is free 2 play so getting to try it won't be as difficult as getting people to try a game that they have to lay down cash for. There's no barrier to entry. Upon trying the game people will make a decision based on gameplay, not aesthetic.

There's absolutely no way to change the aesthetic of the game now, and it certainly should not be changed to appeal to a crowd that wants a particular theme, there are more people that are interested in gameplay over aesthetics. Get the gameplay right and the aesthetic whiners will play it anyway, once that happens they'll change their tune and enter into "us vs them" mentality with the game they play vs every other game in the world.

Dark and gritty is just the current trend with shooters, previously it was in fact futuristic, with Halo being king until MW came along, it travels in phases and will continue to do so. People will play the games they believe have the better gameplay, simple as that.

Eighm · 2012-04-11, 05:30 PM

Originally Posted by kaffis

You can't pretend your awesome K/D ratio translates to being leetly SWAT skilled in real life, ready to handle and fire any weapon you come across in a combat situation.

Wha?

Shanesan · 2012-04-11, 05:37 PM

Might as well just call it an MMOFPS Halo. That takes care of everything. Guns with real bullets, guns with plasma, shields that autoheal and a constant health bar.

Add in teamplay and 2,000 players and remove aliens.

Done.

Felkine · 2012-04-11, 05:47 PM

Why do you even pay attention to these people? Do we lack players or something, i just don't get it. You are indirectly saying to us to trick these "bf players" into playing PS2. I mean who gives a f**k about them, they can play whatever they want, if we want to play PS it doesn't mean that the whole world wants to. This game will be free as far as we know, and anyone will be more then welcome to try it out, but to waste time and go to bf forums to try to make them play its just plain stupid.

sylphaen · 2012-04-11, 05:59 PM

I am not certain this is an issue... As mentionned already, if some people are narrow-minded, their loss.

They could also limit themselves to NC or TR if they want bullet drop so much.

Talek Krell · 2012-04-11, 06:11 PM

I think that if you want to try and reason with these people then the poll was the way to start. You can't address their complaints if you don't know what they are. You may not be able to address them regardless, but it's still better than taking potshots in a dark room.

As long as they have a valid line of reasoning then I think there will be a valid counter-argument for it. I can already think of a couple of crippling flaws in the thinking that I've seen so far, starting with some of them being under the delusion that BF3 is "realistic". Exactly how many militaries do you know of that equip all their soldiers with infinite parachutes and have a "first come first served" rule regarding attack helicopters? >_>

Stardouser · 2012-04-11, 06:15 PM

Originally Posted by Felkine

Why do you even pay attention to these people? Do we lack players or something, i just don't get it. You are indirectly saying to us to trick these "bf players" into playing PS2. I mean who gives a f**k about them, they can play whatever they want, if we want to play PS it doesn't mean that the whole world wants to. This game will be free as far as we know, and anyone will be more then welcome to try it out, but to waste time and go to bf forums to try to make them play its just plain stupid.

Again, people accept that the game will change to cater to brain dead CoD players, and in that respect the game is actually changing. Yet massaging a few Battlefield players into liking the game is a problem? This is mind-boggling.

Originally Posted by Talek Krell

I think that if you want to try and reason with these people then the poll was the way to start. You can't address their complaints if you don't know what they are. You may not be able to address them regardless, but it's still better than taking potshots in a dark room.

As long as they have a valid line of reasoning then I think there will be a valid counter-argument for it. I can already think of a couple of crippling flaws in the thinking that I've seen so far, starting with some of them being under the delusion that BF3 is "realistic". Exactly how many militaries do you know of that equip all their soldiers with infinite parachutes and have a "first come first served" rule regarding attack helicopters? >_>

This. Once we have a handle on it, the easier it will be. And, there's also the Snowball Effect. Get a few of them converted, and people will go where their friends are.

sylphaen · 2012-04-11, 06:16 PM

Originally Posted by Stardouser

Again, people accept that the game will change to cater to brain dead CoD players, and in that respect the game is actually changing. Yet massaging a few Battlefield players into liking the game is a problem? This is mind-boggling.

Edit: misread your post.

The issue is that the Planetside universe is Sci-Fi at its core. What can be fixed when it does not even take place on Earth ?

If what bothers them is science-fiction, even just that would throw them off.

Saintlycow · 2012-04-11, 06:41 PM

There are many people that are high on their horse in this thread

JPalmer · 2012-04-11, 06:58 PM

Originally Posted by Shanesan

Might as well just call it an MMOFPS Halo. That takes care of everything. Guns with real bullets, guns with plasma, shields that autoheal and a constant health bar.

Add in teamplay and 2,000 players and remove aliens.

Done.

Halo doesn't have a health bar. Well at least not in the good online ones.

This is 2012 not 2003, if you want massive you got to appeal to more than the minority.

PoisonTaco · 2012-04-11, 07:18 PM

Don't take away my sci fi because a few CoD/BF fans want more modern shooters.

Stardouser · 2012-04-11, 07:24 PM

Originally Posted by PoisonTaco

Don't take away my sci fi because a few CoD/BF fans want more modern shooters.

Re-read.

Metalsheep · 2012-04-11, 07:27 PM

If anything, the actual Fighting in Planetside 2 is more like WW2/Vietnam era, just given a Futuristic Look. I'd hardley call it Futuristic Themed.

Alot of Modern Combat is remote anymore, Unmanned Boats, Aircraft and even ground vehicles are starting to appear all over the modern battlefield. Sure we still have live soldiers out there risking their lives. But if this is the way war is evolving, a "future/modern" theme would just be playing guys controlling unmanned weapons to accomplish objectives.

I dont understand how people find that entertaining, i remember playing BFBC2 and watching people scramble for the UAV and even betraying eachother for it. Fun "Modern/Realistic" stuff, eh?

TLDR: "We don't want them."

CaptainMaverik · 2012-04-11, 07:51 PM

How soon is now? the future, is the future