Warez: A discussion - Page 5

Happy lil Elf · 2004-03-17, 08:26 PM

Now how does it hurt a company if they would not have gotten the money anyhow?

One could easily argue they didn't pay the money only because it was so easy to get it for free. Were it not so easy to steal it would people save up for it? Some probably would, but they don't have to, because it's so easy to get it fror free. That right there hurts the company.

If you refuse to buy something because it's too expensive, you simply don't buy it. Am I the only one who believes if you want something that is out of your current price range, you save up to buy it? Because you don't want to pay a certain amount of money for something, it's ok to steal it, because you weren't going to buy it anyways? That's rather faulty logic. In reality it's more along the lines of pure rationalization.

_-Gunslinger-_ · 2004-03-18, 11:47 AM

Originally Posted by Happy lil' Elf

One could easily argue they didn't pay the money only because it was so easy to get it for free. Were it not so easy to steal it would people save up for it? Some probably would, but they don't have to, because it's so easy to get it fror free. That right there hurts the company.

If you refuse to buy something because it's too expensive, you simply don't buy it. Am I the only one who believes if you want something that is out of your current price range, you save up to buy it? Because you don't want to pay a certain amount of money for something, it's ok to steal it, because you weren't going to buy it anyways? That's rather faulty logic. In reality it's more along the lines of pure rationalization.

Your first paragraph does not adhear to the scenario that cyanide and I have built. I am not here to discuss IF people download games that they COULD afford. I have stated what I am arguing before yet you persist on this path, while my argument is similar it does not apply to your first paragraph. My argument entails that people wont pay the prices set by companies, even if warez wasnt around. An example is that I wont pay $50 for a single playergame. In the absence of warez I would STILL not pay $50. So in essence I am infact not hurting anyone because I would not have purchased thier game anyhow.

Kikinchikin · 2004-03-18, 12:14 PM

First off my experience with warez.

Downloaded Kazaa 6 months ago. Downloaded around 70 songs then realized it sucks and clogs my computer up to no end. Never downloaded software or movies.

I don't think it's right to download software, games or movies off warez. Songs on the otherhand are fine, because A. Many who download a song will buy the CD, B. Many just want the one song and are not willing to purchase an entire CD, and C. Downloading actually helps get the band's name out by word of mouth.

CD's don't take nearly as long to make as games/movies do, and the people that make the CD's (bands/artists) don't get jack for them.

Basically I think songs/CD warez is acceptable, but you should pay for any game/program you want to buy, due in large part to the amount of money and time it takes the creators to make it.

Madcow · 2004-03-18, 12:42 PM

Originally Posted by _-Gunslinger-_

An example is that I wont pay $50 for a single playergame. In the absence of warez I would STILL not pay $50. So in essence I am infact not hurting anyone because I would not have purchased thier game anyhow.

But you do enjoy single player games enough to play them. If an option to steal them did not exist, there is a very real chance that in the absence of such easy availability you would plop down your own cash on occasion to fill that void (there obviously would be a void or else you would not bother to download and play them now). It's possible you would wait until they hit the bargain bin, it's possible you'd grab them when the hype machine convinced you that you needed to own them right that second. Nonetheless, your cash would factor into the equation.

Quit validating your theft.

JakeLogan · 2004-03-18, 12:56 PM

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_-Gunslinger-_ · 2004-03-18, 03:23 PM

Originally Posted by Madcow

But you do enjoy single player games enough to play them. If an option to steal them did not exist, there is a very real chance that in the absence of such easy availability you would plop down your own cash on occasion to fill that void (there obviously would be a void or else you would not bother to download and play them now). It's possible you would wait until they hit the bargain bin, it's possible you'd grab them when the hype machine convinced you that you needed to own them right that second. Nonetheless, your cash would factor into the equation.

Quit validating your theft.

That is a possibility..oh wait NO its NOT! Before I warezed I didnt fall victem to advertising (hype machien) and I told myself that I would wait until the price goes down. However I ended up never buying them (with the exception of Hitman2) because usually A) A new game came out with almost the same features but better grafics, or B) I read reviews about the downsides to the game and decided that it wasnt worth my money. Either way what you put forth is conjecture, not fact. The scenario before this post is how I use Kazaa and bittorrent. If you dont want to believe me then fine, but remember that if you dont then refuse me alltogather and Ill stop replying to posts covered by my argument. And as almost EVERY post you have made has applied to me in a broken way I am very close to just not replying to you. Your issue NO LONGER STANDS ok? So leave it alone.

Jakelogan: That is the single most effective tool the industry has against warez. If they put everyone through that annoying rap EVERY time I tried to warez something, I might have to stop.

Dharkbayne · 2004-03-18, 03:40 PM

What about this , I bought NFS:U for my xbox, but when my xbox broke, and I felt like playing it, I "acquired" it on my PC, would THAT be legal, since I payed for the game already, but a different form of it?

Madcow · 2004-03-18, 04:01 PM

Originally Posted by _-Gunslinger-_

That is a possibility..oh wait NO its NOT! Before I warezed I didnt fall victem to advertising (hype machien) and I told myself that I would wait until the price goes down. However I ended up never buying them (with the exception of Hitman2) because usually A) A new game came out with almost the same features but better grafics, or B) I read reviews about the downsides to the game and decided that it wasnt worth my money. Either way what you put forth is conjecture, not fact. The scenario before this post is how I use Kazaa and bittorrent. If you dont want to believe me then fine, but remember that if you dont then refuse me alltogather and Ill stop replying to posts covered by my argument. And as almost EVERY post you have made has applied to me in a broken way I am very close to just not replying to you. Your issue NO LONGER STANDS ok? So leave it alone.

Jakelogan: That is the single most effective tool the industry has against warez. If they put everyone through that annoying rap EVERY time I tried to warez something, I might have to stop.

You're on the verge of not responding? As if that's some sort of punishment for me? You didn't buy these games after you had downloaded them. In your mind, you tried them out and found them unworthy. If you didn't have the ability to steal them to try them out, there's a distinct possibility you would have purchased them. Perhaps you would have regretted the purchase, but the money would have already changed hands. Denying that is the only way for you to not lose footing in this argument, but denying that is also obviously not true. Heck, the fact that you're trying so hard to get people to agree with your validation tells me everything I need to know.

Happy lil Elf · 2004-03-18, 07:34 PM

Gunslinger, it's pure rationalization and that's all it is. Let it go.

martyr · 2004-03-18, 07:36 PM

warez entertains me.

Dharkbayne · 2004-03-18, 07:39 PM

Originally Posted by martyr

warez entertains me.

owned.

Ultimatedogg · 2004-03-18, 11:14 PM

Originally Posted by JakeLogan

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you'll like it

could i get that sound track by any chance?

_-Gunslinger-_ · 2004-03-19, 09:43 AM

Originally Posted by Happy lil' Elf

Gunslinger, it's pure rationalization and that's all it is. Let it go.

I wasnt the one to engage in rampent flame wars with cyinide. The only reason madcow pissed me off is that he just restated his argument OVER, and OVER. It didnt stand, yet he still fights like it did. On top of that he wont take what I say as truth. For instance he refuses to believe that I would not buy a game without reserching it? It is infact my $50 on the line, it would be quite assanine to put down that ammount of money on a game that I hadnt read alot about (from many sources other than fansites and the creator). But I digress. If he refuses to accept that I am telling the truth just because he doesnt like it I have no other choice than to ignore him, as he has effectivly removed the only way I can communicate with him.

Madcow · 2004-03-19, 09:56 AM

Originally Posted by _-Gunslinger-_

I wasnt the one to engage in rampent flame wars with cyinide. The only reason madcow pissed me off is that he just restated his argument OVER, and OVER. It didnt stand, yet he still fights like it did. On top of that he wont take what I say as truth. For instance he refuses to believe that I would not buy a game without reserching it? It is infact my $50 on the line, it would be quite assanine to put down that ammount of money on a game that I hadnt read alot about (from many sources other than fansites and the creator). But I digress. If he refuses to accept that I am telling the truth just because he doesnt like it I have no other choice than to ignore him, as he has effectivly removed the only way I can communicate with him.

Wow, this is interesting. I've continued to make a point that you have not refuted. Maybe in your mind you have, but nonetheless the questions are still not answered. Yes, you would do research. You would read reviews. You would listen to friends. Does all of this insure that you would not buy a game that you would end up not caring for and wishing you hadn't dropped $50 on? Think carefully before answering, because an answer of 'yes' is either an outright lie or an admission of complete disillusionment on your part. An answer of 'no' is an admission that you are quite possibly taking money from game makers. Tricky line.

Happy lil Elf · 2004-03-19, 11:20 AM

I wasnt the one to engage in rampent flame wars with cyinide.

You agree with him, why would you? Not only that, but how exactly does that have anything to do with people trying to rationalize their crimes? Again, I don't really have a huge issue with piracy, it's trying to say it's not bad because [lame_excuse] that annoys me. If your going to steal something don't try to play innocent afterwards, let alone tell me it was ok for you to steal it because you weren't going to buy it.