Weapon of Choice - Page 5

Dharkbayne · 2004-05-03, 08:19 PM

Originally Posted by JetRaiden

an uzi with lasersight is like putting a scope on a slingshot. basically a waste of time.

But it looks cool. Fuck aim, remember John Woo, you never miss. Ever. And if you do, it's to look really cool

ControlledBurn · 2004-05-03, 08:19 PM

Originally Posted by dscytherulez

Chill man. This whole thread was based on the fictional coolness factor. You need to calm down. In a real situation, yes, there would be almost NO way I would take a .50 DE over a P-99 unless I was going up against someone in kevlar. Secondly, what you said about 9mm is complete and utter BULLSHIT. Let me shoot you in the chest, or stomach, or thigh. We'll see how far you make it to beating the shit out of me after that. A .357 DE is just as powerful, if not more, than a .45 colt. Plus, the recoil is similar. Don't knock Desert Eagles. You seem to be comparing their overkill to a big bore .50 sniper. That is not what you should be doing. A Barret M99 could crack a big block, a close range .50 DE might dent it. There's a difference between caliber and actual firing power.

You also have no right to talk about overkill as you talk about a SAW as a single person assault weapon. It is a covering fire support weapon, not a fucking Rambo gun. You'd get pwned if you rambo'd with that. It's just not conventional.

Lastly, your words on firepower would get you on a snipers shitlist, as they would tell you a completely different story. I'd say it is an even combination of the two. As a matter of fact, I'd say accuracy is more important. If someone could fire a single shot 800 meters away and hit a man in the skull, he's dead. No matter how you look at it, he's fucked. I could send 300 rounds of an mp5 down an 800 meter range and miss him all day, or, put a couple of 7.62's down range and miss with those too.. If that happened, I'd say I'd be the one fucked. It all depends on the situation.

Desert Eagles are heavy as hell. They are nearly twice as heavy as a conventional handgun is. For example my USP weighs around 700 grams, the DE weighs close to 1700 if I recall correctly. Recoil is most certainly not similar, especially when you take into account the weight of the weapon combined with it's kick. And for the record, the DE .50 doesn't fire the same round, the DE fires a .50 Action Express, where the Barrett fires the .50 Browning Machine Gun round. That's why the firepower isn't similar, as if you've ever seen a .50BMG, you'd know that there's a shit ton of powder behind that bullet compared to the much smaller AE casing.

A SAW can most certainly be used as a single person assault weapon. It's light enough to be held like a standard rifle, and it's rate of fire is certainly slow enough to fire single or short bursts and be accurate. And seeing as he's a former SAW gunner, I'd expect he'd know these things quite well. Maybe you have no right to be questioning his logic.

As for your argument on firepower being a combination I'd have to agree with it for the most part. I'd most certainly argue that getting hit in the head is not the end all be all, I've heard of plenty of people being struck in the head with a variety of different caliber rounds and surviving. Plus take into consideration something like a PASGT helmet at range. Velocity decreases exponentially with every foot it moves, so by the time you hit something at range, even if it was accurate, you may merely wound them, or even just piss them off.

ControlledBurn · 2004-05-03, 08:24 PM

Originally Posted by {BOHICA}Navaron

.40 HK USP Expert - I'm buying one of these this fall (I've fired it many times, anyone know anything I should be aware of?)

I've had my USP .45f for a couple months now. I absoloutely love it, and have had zero problems with it. A friend of mine once likened firing a USP to driving a German car, as they're quite smooth and quite free of problems. I've yet to hear of cold weather problems with them, I'd ask people on hkpro.com for a definitive opinion of any such problems.

AztecWarrior · 2004-05-03, 08:26 PM

Originally Posted by Everay

nuff said

I'd have to agree.

Navaron · 2004-05-03, 08:27 PM

Originally Posted by ControlledBurn

I've had my USP .45f for a couple months now. I absoloutely love it, and have had zero problems with it. A friend of mine once likened firing a USP to driving a German car, as they're quite smooth and quite free of problems. I've yet to hear of cold weather problems with them, I'd ask people on hkpro.com for a definitive opinion of any such problems.

Where'd you purchase yours, and if you don't mind, what did you pay?

ControlledBurn · 2004-05-03, 08:30 PM

Originally Posted by {BOHICA}Navaron

Where'd you purchase yours, and if you don't mind, what did you pay?

Bought it at Florida Gun Exchange. Martyr, Triggar, Bliz and I all buy our stuff there, they've been very good to us. Bought it brand new, after taxes and fees it cost me about $850. I think it was about $750 before. I'll have to check my receipt when I get home.

Biohazzard56 · 2004-05-03, 08:30 PM

OICW:

Navaron · 2004-05-03, 08:31 PM

Awesome. Thanks. Do you have the .45 or .40? I prefer the .40 myself.

dscytherulez · 2004-05-03, 08:31 PM

Originally Posted by ControlledBurn

Desert Eagles are heavy as hell. They are nearly twice as heavy as a conventional handgun is. For example my USP weighs around 700 grams, the DE weighs close to 1700 if I recall correctly. Recoil is most certainly not similar, especially when you take into account the weight of the weapon combined with it's kick. And for the record, the DE .50 doesn't fire the same round, the DE fires a .50 Action Express, where the Barrett fires the .50 Browning Machine Gun round. That's why the firepower isn't similar, as if you've ever seen a .50BMG, you'd know that there's a shit ton of powder behind that bullet compared to the much smaller AE casing.

A SAW can most certainly be used as a single person assault weapon. It's light enough to be held like a standard rifle, and it's rate of fire is certainly slow enough to fire single or short bursts and be accurate. And seeing as he's a former SAW gunner, I'd expect he'd know these things quite well. Maybe you have no right to be questioning his logic.

As for your argument on firepower being a combination I'd have to agree with it for the most part. I'd most certainly argue that getting hit in the head is not the end all be all, I've heard of plenty of people being struck in the head with a variety of different caliber rounds and surviving. Plus take into consideration something like a PASGT helmet at range. Velocity decreases exponentially with every foot it moves, so by the time you hit something at range, even if it was accurate, you may merely wound them, or even just piss them off.

Yes, DE's are heavy, but not unbearable. The weight actually helps tremendously when it comes to recoil. When I said similar I was comparing a .357 magnum to a .45. And yes, those to have very similar recoil.

Unless he is using an MK.46-0, there is no way you could comfortably hold a loaded, belt fed saw and fire off more than a few accurate rounds.

My whole argument on the firepower/accuracy was not to be taken apart and analyzed scientifically, it was just an example. Yes, I realize grazings won't kill someone. I never said anything about a helmet. I said a perfect 800 meter shot, hitting dead center in your skull. This of course, I know, isn't very likely, but like I said...EXAMPLE.

Edit: The USP cold weather problem I was talking about probably won't matter to you. I meant EXTREME colds. My friend in Canada (GASP), has one. He sometimes has problems with it when he fires it in the cold, moreso than most of his other guns.

AztecWarrior · 2004-05-03, 08:35 PM

NOTE: This thread is an action movie gun thread. Not what you'd carry into a war. Unless you can do a flip out of a window, then, in mid-air, plug your enemy's coordinates into the OICW targeting computer, land, fire off a 20mm, you should vie for simpler weapons.

And if I had to go to war, I'd take a G3 over my AK.

ControlledBurn · 2004-05-03, 08:36 PM

Originally Posted by {BOHICA}Navaron

Awesome. Thanks. Do you have the .45 or .40? I prefer the .40 myself.

Got the .45, always had a preference for the stopping power of an old fashioned .45 slug.

AztecWarrior · 2004-05-03, 08:37 PM

Quick question- do a .45 Colt and a .45 ACP have equal stopping power?

ControlledBurn · 2004-05-03, 08:42 PM

Originally Posted by dscytherulez

Yes, DE's are heavy, but not unbearable. The weight actually helps tremendously when it comes to recoil. When I said similar I was comparing a .357 magnum to a .45. And yes, those to have very similar recoil.

Unless he is using an MK.46-0, there is no way you could comfortably hold a loaded, belt fed saw and fire off more than a few accurate rounds.

My whole argument on the firepower/accuracy was not to be taken apart and analyzed scientifically, it was just an example. Yes, I realize grazings won't kill someone. I never said anything about a helmet. I said a perfect 800 meter shot, hitting dead center in your skull. This of course, I know, isn't very likely, but like I said...EXAMPLE.

Edit: The USP cold weather problem I was talking about probably won't matter to you. I meant EXTREME colds. My friend in Canada (GASP), has one. He sometimes has problems with it when he fires it in the cold, moreso than most of his other guns.

No .357 I've ever fired has a similar recoil to a .45. Not even the smaller .357Sig rounds are similar in kick.

Have you ever carried a SAW? I'm going to harbor a guess considering your age and say no. Both Firefly and I have held and fired a SAW, so trying to debate something like firing offhand with a SAW when you haven't done it is pretty retarded.

ControlledBurn · 2004-05-03, 08:44 PM

Originally Posted by AztecWarrior

Quick question- do a .45 Colt and a .45 ACP have equal stopping power?

.45 ACP stands for .45 Automatic Colt Pistol.....harbor a guess.

dscytherulez · 2004-05-03, 08:51 PM

Originally Posted by ControlledBurn

No .357 I've ever fired has a similar recoil to a .45. Not even the smaller .357Sig rounds are similar in kick.

Have you ever carried a SAW? I'm going to harbor a guess considering your age and say no. Both Firefly and I have held and fired a SAW, so trying to debate something like firing offhand with a SAW when you haven't done it is pretty retarded.

I've fired a .45 colt, then a .357 DE. They both had similar recoils and recovery times for me.

No, you're right, I have never even held a SAW. But I can logically argue, which is pretty much what I do 24/7. The weight of an unloaded MK.46-0 is about 15 lbs. About the weight of an M16. Now, strap on a hefty belt clip. Add the fact your shooting the full SAW, not just the "SAW Light". I'd say it would be pretty hard to accurately fire many rounds from something that hefty with that much power, while your holding it like an assault rifle. I don't care how "tough" you are, it would just be too strenuous on your arm. The recoil on a SAW, I "hear" (Again, I've never fired one but one of my best friends is in the army) is terrible. Bad recoil leads to bad accuracy.

It's true purpose is for squad support, not Rambo style headshots from 400 meters.