Universe theory question.

[ObnoxiousFrog]

As long as we don't need Bruce Willis to fly onto any asteroids with a bomb and an Aerosmith song I really won't be losing sleep over the universe being finate yet expanding.

[Solendon]

Energy is NOT infinte. Haven't you ever heard the law of Entropy? Basically, all energy will eventually dissapate as heat.

[EarlyDawn]

The interesting thing about discussions like this is that they naturally progress from scientific to philosophical at the higher levels.

But yes, superstring theory would help explain this.

And it is true that we can't quite prove that antimatter exists in any human terms. We can observe it's effects mathmatically (assuming it exists), but trying to isolate it would be like trying to isolate a graviton: You see it's effects and it's hypothetically there, but you have no idea how to go about containing it.

[Rbstr]

i'll post on this tomarow when i have time it will be very long, perhaps i'll put it in my blog

[SDM]

Originally Posted by Solendon

Energy is NOT infinte. Haven't you ever heard the law of Entropy? Basically, all energy will eventually dissapate as heat.

Heat is energy Einstien.

How come all you retards are acting like you know shit?

[Solendon]

Originally Posted by SDM

Heat is energy Einstien.

How come all you retards are acting like you know shit?

Maybe because I didn't fucking say it wasn't energy, Corky.


From Dictionary.com
en�tro�py (ntr-p)
n. pl. en�tro�pies
Symbol S For a closed thermodynamic system, a quantitative measure of the amount of thermal energy not available to do work.
A measure of the disorder or randomness in a closed system.
A measure of the loss of information in a transmitted message.
The tendency for all matter and energy in the universe to evolve toward a state of inert uniformity.
Inevitable and steady deterioration of a system or society.















Oh yeah:

[MrPaul]

[skipping pages 3 - 5]
Supposedly there were many "Big Bangs" (possibly an infinite amount of them).
Maybe, time is donut shaped (like Home says in the Simpsons) and in a way. Creatures of some variety evolve, become "smart" (ie humans) and start developing technology. Throughout all of this a weapon so powerful it'll destroy/ implode the universe in invented.
It gets used. The universe "resets".

Yeah...

[SDM]

Originally Posted by Solendon

Energy is NOT infinte. Haven't you ever heard the law of Entropy? Basically, all energy will eventually dissapate as heat.

Energy is infinite. Energy is Energy, whether it is kinetic, heat, light, etc... Entropy has absolutely nothing to do with it being finite or otherwise. Energy is there, no matter how dilute or dissipated.

Originally Posted by Solendon

Maybe because I didn't fucking say it wasn't energy, Corky.

You said energy dissapated as heat, stating that is why it was NOT infinite. WTF are you saying then? Do you even know?

Good job watching half a show on the discovery channel, and learning to cut and paste.

BTW, don't ever call me Corky again, or you'll never work in this town again.

[Solendon]

Originally Posted by SDM

Energy is infinite. Energy is Energy, whether it is kinetic, heat, light, etc... Entropy has absolutely nothing to do with it being finite or otherwise. Energy is there, no matter how dilute or dissipated.

Now you talking symantics of the English language. There is not an infinite amount of energy in the sense once entropy is approached that's it. All energy will eventually radiate outside of the bounds of the physical Universe. It will be a cold, energy free place.

Originally Posted by SDM

BTW, don't ever call me Corky again, or you'll never work in this town again.

Corky.

[SDM]

Originally Posted by Solendon

Now you talking symantics of the English language. There is not an infinite amount of energy in the sense once entropy is approached that's it. All energy will eventually radiate outside of the bounds of the physical Universe. It will be a cold, energy free place.

Idiot.

Originally Posted by Solendon

Corky.

Idiot.

[Solendon]

Originally Posted by SDM

Idiot.





Idiot.

Assclown.

[Everay]

Originally Posted by EarlyDawn

The interesting thing about discussions like this is that they naturally progress from scientific to philosophical at the higher levels.

But yes, superstring theory would help explain this.

And it is true that we can't quite prove that antimatter exists in any human terms. We can observe it's effects mathmatically (assuming it exists), but trying to isolate it would be like trying to isolate a graviton: You see it's effects and it's hypothetically there, but you have no idea how to go about containing it.

Dawn, we HAVE observed it, we have BEEN observing anti matter for quite some time, currently there are two places we can get it, first, the center of our galaxy, something like 1000 light years away, second is a... oh fuck i forgot what its called, like, a accelerater or something, basicaly they speed up two atoms really fast and collide them, oh YES! i remember now, a super collider or something similar to that, they collide two atoms and that creates a antimatter, dont ask me how it works beyond that, i dont know, i also know though, that doing this takes up alot of energy, and to use one of these colliders to get enough anti matter for a starship, like the USS Enterprise(im serious, antimatter matter engines are real) would require something like 10,000 times the energy this entire planet can produce.

and where ever some of you are getting your info from, its old, oh, by about 10 or so years.

[ObnoxiousFrog]

Originally Posted by Solendon

Assclown.

Assmime actually, because SDM is silent, swift, and will give you nightmares afterwards.

[Hydralisk]

Antimatter is real? I thought that was just a term made up to make the theory make sense?

[_-Gunslinger-_]

http://superstringtheory.com/

This explains most of what you guys have been talking about. Alot of it is still theory and alot of it is also based off of those theorys.


However math has already solved this "finite" universe debate.

Imagin you placed a circle on a plane. Both are 2D however one if finite and the other is infinite (Circle = Finite, Plane = Infiinte). Thats how the universe is. All the planets stars and random "matter" are the circle and what we are expanding into is infinity, or the plane. So where people get confused is the definition of universe. It seems to have two sides, one being a finite definition and another being infinite. And thats where the problem lies.


From here on in simply apply both defninitions to something. When one makes sense but not the other simply ignore the other definition. If both make sense then . Also the universe cant posably be expanding faster than the speed of light. If it was we would only see a select few of the stars we do now. Of course thats assuming we arent already seeing a select few.

Look at Newton's laws and apply them to the universe expansion. The only variable we cant find out yet is if there is a resisting force, and if it will deplete itself. So apply it in the three scenarios that can happen.

1) The universe is expanding unimposed (No enegy, so it has run out). We keep flying into the depths of the universe never stoping untill some other force intervenes.

2) The univese is expanding but is imposed (The expansion is being resisted, and the energy will run out). Just a race of time, witch engergy will last longer.

3) The universe is expanding and the energy resisting it will not run out. We are fucked. This is the dark matter scenario. We are moving out-wards but constantly being pulled back in. So without a "boost" of speed we will eventually fall back into a big bang. See the baseball example on the bottom of page one.

Two little side notes. That are barely relevant. Why is ******ds (O U T W A R D S) censored? And for anyone confused read the middle part of my sig.