Halo 2 ending discusion - Page 5

Angel_of_Death · 2004-11-13, 07:19 PM

Originally Posted by Doop

For anyone who's confused:

Apparently, between First Strike and Halo 2, some event must have happened in which the Master Chief and the remaining Spartans are seperated. Maybe they died, or just went to Earth alone, we don't know. Somehow they meet up with the Cairo, and the gang gets on.

The Ark is some kind of temple on Earth. I theorize this because, first off for you to understand this completely, the Great Journey is a holy adventure in Covenant lore of activating the Haloes, and "burning a path into the divine beyond", and giving "salvation to all". They don't know that Halo is actually meant to stop the Flood. The Great Journey isn't killing humanity.

If the Covenant -really- wanted Earth destroyed, they would have glassed it like they did Reach, from space. But instead, they are ejecting troops on it to CAPTURE it. This is because they know the Ark is on Earth and they need it to fulfill their religion.

The Forerunner ship Master Chief is on contains the Prophet of Truth. The Covenant is already diminishing since the Elites, Grunts and Hunters split from the Brutes, Drones, Jackals and Prophets. If Master Chief kills the last bit of glue still holding the Covenant together, Truth, the Covenant will totally break apart, and will basically forget about humanity.

And last, the Gravemind. Apparently he is the central consciousness of the Flood. He's an organic lifeform that has been rooted in Delta Halo for eons, supposedly. How he teleports? He uses Penitent Tangent's teleporting ability.
After the credits, when he asks Cortana to answer his questions, he just wants to know what's going on and what has been happening. He's been underground for a long time.

Edit: I dunno if anyone said all this. I haven't read all of this thread. That's my theory.

Don't the prophets know what the Haloes do, or at least something of their purpose? That they wipe out all sentient life? "Tartarus, the prophets lied to us.", and "Maybe even the heretics don't know the true extent of Haloes power" said the Arbiter. Hell I'm not sure, I'm replaying the game on legendary right now, with my subtitles and it'll clear things up for me. And fuck is legendary ever hard...way harder it seems than legendary ever was.

Gravemind knows what's happening, and what's going on. Methinks he's looking for the motives, or a history lesson. All we know about Gravemind on the Flood matter is that he is Flood-related, as Cortana said. Central consciousness of the Flood is a big assumption, although a big possibility as well.

Originally Posted by Infernus

Erm... Cairo isn't a ship... Cairo is an orbital MAC.

Tis a space station, either right beside a super MAC or with one attached right to it.

Doop · 2004-11-13, 07:42 PM

They "plied the Oracle with a series of questions", and Guiltyspark probably told them all the shit that Halo does, but the Prophets don't really think much of the Guiltyspark. I don't think they think Halo is destructive at all, they just think it's, you know, the stairway to heaven.

Another thing, when Mercy is getting floodified, he says they're going to Earth to finish what we started. That also implied my Ark theory.

Biohazzard56 · 2004-11-13, 07:58 PM

The Individual levels were shorter, but I think the overall game was just as long. The gameplay in Halo 2 was more filler, its quality over quantity. The Multiplayer on Xbox live steals the show though. As good as the campaign was you just cant beat providing Air Support for a banshee while xnerd, chief5, and zayzay get the flag and when plans are executed in Multiplayer its amazing to see your Team's work pay off in clan matches.

Neon Apocalypse · 2004-11-13, 08:53 PM

Have you guys read First Strike, that halo book that is a prelude to halo 2?

Apparently a lot of spartans survive on Reach.

And we never get to find out what happens to Kelly.

Terran Sniper · 2004-11-13, 10:01 PM

Originally Posted by Untouchable

I've always sort of suspected that the Spartans ARE the Forerunners? Perhaps reincarnations of some sort, which would explain as to why GS referred to the MC as a Reclaimer? Any thoughts?

not likely. Capt. Keyes' daughter, remebr her? GS referred to her as a Reclaimer, and she's not a Spartan.

My thoughts on the Ark:

In First Strike, the Covies glassed all of Reach except that one temple area. There, the remaining Spartans found a small crystal that could manipulate space and alter the properties of Slipspace. The Spartans and Dr. Halsey decided to bring the crystal to Earth for analysis, but a Covie capital ship followed (cretaing a route to Earth for the baddies). A presumably drunk marine gets pissed, and destroys the crystal en route to Earth.
I don't think the Covies realized that the crystal was destroyed and assumed that it was on Earth. Therefore, instead of glassing it, they invaded.
I believe that this crystal was the Ark, explaining why the Covies tried so hard to recover it.

WritheNC · 2004-11-13, 10:09 PM

26 Spartans survive on Reach but in the end only about 6 make it off the planet alive.

Along with John are Will, Fred, Linda, and Kelly is taken away by Dr. Halsey for some secret mission.

Lonehunter · 2004-11-13, 10:10 PM

Originally Posted by EarlyDawn

If you don't have anything to contribute to a storyline discussion, don't post ***.

I was discussing a point about the game with WritheNC

Overall, I liked the game but didn't really like the ending, I was hoping for an end to the stroy. I think Bungie did I good job though. I would like to see Bungie in other games.

Infernus · 2004-11-13, 11:07 PM

Originally Posted by Terran Sniper

not likely. Capt. Keyes' daughter, remebr her? GS referred to her as a Reclaimer, and she's not a Spartan.

My thoughts on the Ark:

In First Strike, the Covies glassed all of Reach except that one temple area. There, the remaining Spartans found a small crystal that could manipulate space and alter the properties of Slipspace. The Spartans and Dr. Halsey decided to bring the crystal to Earth for analysis, but a Covie capital ship followed (cretaing a route to Earth for the baddies). A presumably drunk marine gets pissed, and destroys the crystal en route to Earth.
I don't think the Covies realized that the crystal was destroyed and assumed that it was on Earth. Therefore, instead of glassing it, they invaded.
I believe that this crystal was the Ark, explaining why the Covies tried so hard to recover it.

The covenant knew where Earth was by the time the humans left Reach, they had already sent their fleet there. The covenant followed the Gettysbur-Ascendant Justice into slipspace and there was a battle there... then they went to the Rebel base from 'Fall of Reach'. The book is called first stike because Cheif and his Spartan's make the first strike on the enemy while they are enroute to earth.

Terran Sniper · 2004-11-14, 12:17 AM

right, i had forgotten about that, infernus.

Anyway, Bungie will most likely put into Halo 3 what they didt put into H2. I'm expectig a much longer wait for H3 than it was for H2

Octavian · 2004-11-14, 12:24 AM

A longer wait? Unless Microsoft is smart they'll probably try to rush Bungie for XB2.

EarlyDawn · 2004-11-14, 12:28 AM

Originally Posted by Rbstr

but elites have shields too.

Yes, but assuming my theory is correct, the Elites don't have the physical anatomy of the Forerunner (Human).

WritheNC · 2004-11-14, 02:46 AM

The Covenant got most of their technology from Forerunner artifacts. They have modified some of the things, but even all they have created is but a fraction of what the Forerunners had access to(which is why High Charity ran off the power of the Forerunner ship; if they understood it, they would have just copied it...but they don't).

The Mjolnir armor the Spartans use is made from Covenant technology which the humans have retrofitted and improved upon(since they are more creative and innovative than the Covenant...funny how in all fiction Humans are the most "innovative").

Doop · 2004-11-14, 09:27 AM

Also, on one of the last levels, anyone remember when Keyes was trying to grab the index in the middle of that large pit, but couldn't reach it, and then a tentacle reached out of the Forerunner vehicle, and she used that to reach it? That's a Gravemind tentacle, which really confuses me.

About the Forerunners...in Halo 1, when Guiltyspark is on the Autumn, he's scanning the information from the database. He says, exactly, "Finally, a history of all our lost time."

Our. He was looking through a human database. Proposes that we are, indeed, the Forerunners.
Plus, he says "Last time you asked me, if it was my choice, would I do it?" Chief never asked him. He could be confusing him with some other human from years ago.

Neon Apocalypse · 2004-11-14, 10:01 AM

Thats right the Ark had to be on reach. The covenant are attracted to it and thats why in the book they followed the crystal.

I read the book a while ago, they tried to destroy it didn't they?

Infernus · 2004-11-14, 10:38 AM

Originally Posted by WritheNC

The Covenant got most of their technology from Forerunner artifacts. They have modified some of the things, but even all they have created is but a fraction of what the Forerunners had access to(which is why High Charity ran off the power of the Forerunner ship; if they understood it, they would have just copied it...but they don't).

The Mjolnir armor the Spartans use is made from Covenant technology which the humans have retrofitted and improved upon(since they are more creative and innovative than the Covenant...funny how in all fiction Humans are the most "innovative").

I thought the Mjolnir Armor first given to the spartans was invented before the covenant invasion.