Will you Upgrade for PS2? - Page 5

Warruz · 2011-07-13, 04:10 PM

Originally Posted by Bags

Why buy ATI when Sony is clearly in bed with nvidia this time around?

Because AMD is more bang for your buck when your talking the low-High range, Now if your talking on the extreme range then yes Intel/Nvidia is the way to go.

Bags · 2011-07-13, 04:11 PM

Originally Posted by Goku

I would recommend this card. Should be roughly the same performance give or take a few frames as that 6870.

As Bags said I recommend Nvidia if this is really only for PS2. You will have PhysX on top more performance on the card due to better support.

Ooh, $5 cheaper than the one I got. But yeah, my GTX 460 runs great. I can vouch for the card (at least MSI's).

Originally Posted by Warruz

Because AMD is more bang for your buck when your talking the low-High range, Now if your talking on the extreme range then yes Intel/Nvidia is the way to go.

Nvidia makes physx. PS2 will be using physx.

It might not matter but you never know.

Zulthus · 2011-07-13, 04:15 PM

Originally Posted by Bags

Nvidia makes physx. PS2 will be using physx.

It might not matter but you never know.

Yeah, doesn't matter either way you go. PhysX works just fine on all video cards. AMD is generally better than Nvidia, imo. I used to use their cards and I've personally found AMD to have better performance.

Vancha · 2011-07-13, 04:28 PM

Originally Posted by Warruz

Because AMD is more bang for your buck when your talking the low-High range, Now if your talking on the extreme range then yes Intel/Nvidia is the way to go.

Generally yes, but in regards to upgrading solely for a game with PhysX I'm not so sure. While AMD cards can run games with PhysX, I seem to remember they took way, way more of a performance hit for it. Whether that's still true or not I don't know. AMD certainly seem to have the better cards this generation in general, though.

Edit: Ninjad by Zulthus.

Edit II: Though come to think of it, if PS2 is being developed around Nvidia cards, they may still get better performance regardless of PhysX.

Originally Posted by Firefly

I admit I have no fucking clue what crossfiring is. From the gist of the conversation I infer that it's what I do - run a game with the image spread across all monitors.

It's ATI's equivalent of SLI - running two or more GPUs at once. With the 6 series ATI seems to be doing it far better (typically 2x the card didn't equate to 2x the performance, but ATI's almost there with some of their GPUs).

Gandhi · 2011-07-13, 04:31 PM

Originally Posted by Zulthus

Yeah, doesn't matter either way you go. PhysX works just fine on all video cards. AMD is generally better than Nvidia, imo. I used to use their cards and I've personally found AMD to have better performance.

AFAIK PhysX is still nVidia only. You could pair an ATI card with a low end nVidia card to do the PhysX work, otherwise all the PhysX stuff will be done on the CPU instead. You'll still get the PhysX effects, but with a pretty big performance hit.

Edit: Ninjad by Vancha

SavageB · 2011-07-13, 04:42 PM

Originally Posted by Bags

Why buy ATI when Sony is clearly in bed with nvidia this time around?

Only thing I'd be interested in is the RAM but it's already dirt cheap brand new on newegg.

Why 12+ GB of RAM? Just 'cuz?

Yes, and this time around I want to future proof my comp for years, instead of 1-2 years then buying something else. I figure with all the high end things I can buy now Ill be good for 3 years or so...It will all depend on how that AMD bulldozer performs tho, AMD better not let us down this time or I fear the worst for that side of the company.

Zulthus · 2011-07-13, 04:43 PM

You're probably right that PhysX is done on the CPU for me, but nonetheless any game I've played with PhysX on my ATI card works perfectly fine at this point, I can max out all settings and still play smoothly. But, if you are upgrading for PS2 only, it's currently sounding like you'd want to SLI two Nvidia cards, since I find them pretty weak. But they have PhysX, so hey.

Zulthus · 2011-07-13, 04:45 PM

Also, here. Proof is in the pudding. ATI is kicking Nvidia's ass one generation behind.

http://www.gpureview.com/show_cards....=632&card2=613

Goku · 2011-07-13, 04:55 PM

Zulthus PhysX runs like crap on CPUs. There is no way to have PhysX run directly on an AMD card either. Sure you can get a dedicated PhysX card with ATI but that is added cost on top of doing driver hacks. PhysX is meant to be run specifically on Nvidia's GPU either solo or dedicated while another card does the regular video game.

GPUReview.com is a nice site, but you cannot get the performance directly from it. If the 460 is so inferior to the 5870 why is it loosing to it in this review? The 5850 does far worse as well here.

I am a fan of AMD cards as I have had them for over 2 years now. Though every card has its strengths and weaknesses. The GTX 460 1GB is a highly competitive card along with the GTX 560 Ti. There is no AMD card that will out do that Galaxy GTX 460 Super OC I recommended at that price point. Like I said before PS2 will be along the lines of TWIMTBP game due to Nvidia's influence. If PS2 will be your primary game I think you would be foolish not to get a Nvidia card if you are upgrading.

Zulthus · 2011-07-13, 05:07 PM

PhysX runs fine for me, I don't see what your problem is. The Metro 2033 review isn't really accurate anyhow since I can get 30 FPS easy on high settings on my single card, not overclocked. Reviews are biased, facts are not. I'm just saying since I owned a GTX460 before I owned my AMD (It burned out within months) and IMO the AMD outperforms it by miles.

2coolforu · 2011-07-13, 05:11 PM

PhysX runs like ass on the CPU, that's what many people have been seeing and it;s what I have been seeing. There are plans to get it to use multi-cores but until then it'll still run like ass.

However you have 1-2 years to grab an Nvidia card so, get to it.

Infektion · 2011-07-13, 05:15 PM

Originally Posted by Mirror

I7 930 CPU, 12GB RAM (2000MHz), SSD HDD, GTX 470 VGA

I think I'll be ok.

There is absolutely no use for 12GB Ram on any desktop system/gaming environment... 6GB-8GB is the limit, and that's with IMMENSE multitasking.

You guys think my E8400 @ conservative 3.5Ghz is ok?

Zulthus · 2011-07-13, 05:15 PM

You guys must have really bad PCs.

2coolforu · 2011-07-13, 05:18 PM

Nope, my PC was a supercomputer when I got it, i7 920 overclocked - 4.1 GHz, HD 5970, 6 gigs 2000 MHz RAM Gigabyte ex58 mobo.

bought November 2009

Zulthus · 2011-07-13, 05:20 PM

Well, all I'm saying is PhysX runs completely fine on my CPU. So I'm perfectly fine with my amazing ATI video card for years to come.

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