Bailing mechanics - Page 5

Helwyr · 2011-11-01, 05:20 PM

If it was about demonstrating player skill, those players would have certed ATVs like the Fury not Aircav, you've got all the speed of Aircav, but have to deal with CE and terrain, and have a much harder time aiming. Players that genuinely just want to be pilots would have no problem with addressing the abuse of bailing in Planetside.

..and no, not all of us were farmed by air, I wasn't, but your "have my cake and eat" playstyle, often ruined my favored "playstyle" which was prolonged outdoor infantry and armor battles. Rather than be farmed or bypassed, I was forced to adapt and play in way I found less enjoyable... but I suppose I can always cert the Starfire again or just wonder around the map mining the tops of air towers to piss off people like Mirror.

I don't know about everyone else, but I'd much rather play a Planetside that involves large battles with combined arms, where no one type of unit or "playstyle" trumps nearly everything else.

SuperMorto · 2011-11-01, 06:53 PM

It should be done in as real a fashion as possible.

We all know you cant hot prop from a plane at high speed, but you can get out and you can have a pistol with you. And you would be in a rite mess, but it can be done.

And the same goes for ground vehicles. We all know you can get out/off one, but at what speed will determine your state.

xSlideShow · 2011-11-01, 07:09 PM

I really don't see how this is such an issue if the main problem with people is that maxes got ganked. Well first off faster TTK mean less time to react and if the bailing mechanism still fails... Then we also know that only HA will be able to carry AV equipment. So if there is similar restrictions to piloting air craft that there is now. The light assault guys aren't going to have AV on them. Along with all of this the max can now carry two weapons. So he can have AA and AI giving him more than a fair chance against an Agile with no AV. I seems like to me your problem is already solved.

SgtMAD · 2011-11-01, 07:14 PM

this thread is funny,its full of the exact same crying that started the end of PS and the game isn't even in beta yet.

you know, maybe this isn't the game for you if agiles were killing you in an AA max.

TRex · 2011-11-02, 05:12 AM

Originally Posted by HtSgtMAD

this thread is funny,its full of the exact same crying that started the end of PS and the game isn't even in beta yet.

you know, maybe this isn't the game for you if agiles were killing you in an AA max.

My thoughts exactly.

If all these goons got their own way, and eventually rendered the game down to the equivalent of Teletubbies online , they would still die and still whine that teletubby custard was OP .

Lost cause I'm afraid.

Traak · 2011-11-02, 06:05 AM

Since you are repeating the same "OMG anyone who doesn't worship me for being awesome for exploiting bailure must totally suck lololol" attitude, I will restate what I have said.

Bailing. You get a knife and just clothes. No armor, nothing else. You had a weapon. It is known as an "airplane". If an airplane isn't weapon enough for you, your reward for losing your plane isn't a whole new set of weapons and armor. That is childish and selfish.

If you want fast transport, there is a selection of ground-based stuff for you, if you so detest teamwork. Or you can ride in a Galaxy. Or pilot one. There you go. You have plenty of choices.

But, having the fastest, and in PS2, among the heaviest-armed single-person things in the game, and saying it isn't enough? You also have to be coddled by having it as a fast transport for yourself, plus be laden with infantry weapons and armor also?

Lost your plane? Lost your weapon. Die. Go get another weapon. Maybe something along the lines of heavy assault. But choose. Plane or other weapon. Not both.

It isn't enough for you to have, what 12,000 hit points and a variety of weapons, including autocannons and missiles, plus three-dimensional maneuverability and 260km/h speeds? That isn't overpowered enough? Perhaps you need to play a different game. One where you can play alone in God mode.

A 260km/h multi-armament weapons platform isn't enough? What, then, IS enough? A flying sky chariot that can rain down planet-wide orbital strikes while you are free from harm because you operate it from a World of Warcraft server?

The plane is one of the biggest, fastest weapons in Planetside. If you can't hold onto it, you shouldn't be rewarded with a whole new set of weapons and armor. You should die, just like everybody else.

SKYeXile · 2011-11-02, 07:01 AM

Originally Posted by Traak

Since you are repeating the same "OMG anyone who doesn't worship me for being awesome for exploiting bailure must totally suck lololol" attitude, I will restate what I have said.

Bailing. You get a knife and just clothes. No armor, nothing else. You had a weapon. It is known as an "airplane". If an airplane isn't weapon enough for you, your reward for losing your plane isn't a whole new set of weapons and armor. That is childish and selfish.

If you want fast transport, there is a selection of ground-based stuff for you, if you so detest teamwork. Or you can ride in a Galaxy. Or pilot one. There you go. You have plenty of choices.

But, having the fastest, and in PS2, among the heaviest-armed single-person things in the game, and saying it isn't enough? You also have to be coddled by having it as a fast transport for yourself, plus be laden with infantry weapons and armor also?

Lost your plane? Lost your weapon. Die. Go get another weapon. Maybe something along the lines of heavy assault. But choose. Plane or other weapon. Not both.

It isn't enough for you to have, what 12,000 hit points and a variety of weapons, including autocannons and missiles, plus three-dimensional maneuverability and 260km/h speeds? That isn't overpowered enough? Perhaps you need to play a different game. One where you can play alone in God mode.

A 260km/h multi-armament weapons platform isn't enough? What, then, IS enough? A flying sky chariot that can rain down planet-wide orbital strikes while you are free from harm because you operate it from a World of Warcraft server?

The plane is one of the biggest, fastest weapons in Planetside. If you can't hold onto it, you shouldn't be rewarded with a whole new set of weapons and armor. You should die, just like everybody else.

I'm glad VS tanks can hover over water.

SgtMAD · 2011-11-02, 07:17 AM

Originally Posted by Traak

Since you are repeating the same "OMG anyone who doesn't worship me for being awesome for exploiting bailure must totally suck lololol" attitude, I will restate what I have said.

Bailing. You get a knife and just clothes. No armor, nothing else. You had a weapon. It is known as an "airplane". If an airplane isn't weapon enough for you, your reward for losing your plane isn't a whole new set of weapons and armor. That is childish and selfish.

If you want fast transport, there is a selection of ground-based stuff for you, if you so detest teamwork. Or you can ride in a Galaxy. Or pilot one. There you go. You have plenty of choices.

But, having the fastest, and in PS2, among the heaviest-armed single-person things in the game, and saying it isn't enough? You also have to be coddled by having it as a fast transport for yourself, plus be laden with infantry weapons and armor also?

Lost your plane? Lost your weapon. Die. Go get another weapon. Maybe something along the lines of heavy assault. But choose. Plane or other weapon. Not both.

It isn't enough for you to have, what 12,000 hit points and a variety of weapons, including autocannons and missiles, plus three-dimensional maneuverability and 260km/h speeds? That isn't overpowered enough? Perhaps you need to play a different game. One where you can play alone in God mode.

A 260km/h multi-armament weapons platform isn't enough? What, then, IS enough? A flying sky chariot that can rain down planet-wide orbital strikes while you are free from harm because you operate it from a World of Warcraft server?

The plane is one of the biggest, fastest weapons in Planetside. If you can't hold onto it, you shouldn't be rewarded with a whole new set of weapons and armor. You should die, just like everybody else.

the funny thing here is that we don't see any of these "bailures" crying about ppl hotdropping on them because they know how to deal with them, you refuse to deal with it so you want it nerfed,I lead an outfit that was referred to as HotDrop takeover for the first couple of years and we had to fight ppl that dropped on every tower we ever farmed and we figured it out,its simple and here you are 8 YEARS later still crying about it and wanting it nerfed.

you want to change game mechanics to fit your narrow definition of what this game should allow,well there are still going to be players that figure out the easiest and most effective method to kill you and others will see this tactic and it will spread and you will be running to forums crying about how it isn't fair and it should be nerfed.

the best thing SOE could do right now is restore the original PS forums so ppl could see the amount of crying that went on at the beginning and how it led to huge player exoduses over and over again.

TRex · 2011-11-02, 07:17 AM

Originally Posted by Traak

Bailing. You get a knife and just clothes. No armor, nothing else.

Ok, we get the point. But when you die to the guy with just the knife , whats next on your list , nerf knives?

Traak · 2011-11-02, 08:09 AM

As I said, you have a very high-hitpoint multi-weapon, fastest-weapon-in-the game plane, but you sissies want more? What more can you possibly want?

What do you want? God mode? You have had far too much, for far too long, and like most people who are over-entitled, you are working to defend the status quo.

The greed is almost unimaginable. Quit attacking me with your childish little taunts for pointing this out, and making up childish imaginary scenarios where you drop from the plane and heroically own everyone with your knife. It is never going to happen, and you are obfuscating the issue.

Bailure is failure. No game needs it. Especially PS2.

DOUBLEXBAUGH · 2011-11-02, 08:12 AM

Originally Posted by CutterJohn

Its not to be able to, with near 100% certainty, land on top of any piece of real estate on the map with zero prior planning and zero teamwork being necessary, merely because you can outrun the AA for the few moments you are visible by being at the flight ceiling and using afterburners, then instantly convert to a form virtually invulnerable to AA in order to effect your landing

Originally Posted by CutterJohn

Have you ever spent time in an AA max? I got kills from people trying to attack. They had to take a few moments to find targets and line up an attack run, thus making themselves vulnerable. It was rare to kill people just trying to bail. Come in at flight ceiling, or from behind a hill, and unless someone was perfectly positioned to catch them, they'd be out of the vehicle before AA caught up.

So part of your argument against hot dropping is it requires "zero teamwork", yet you are also mad that you can't SOLO them in your AA Max? Why don't you use some of that teamwork your talking about to counter them?

Get multiple AA Maxes so you can kill them in the short time you have to fire on them, maybe position yourself on that hill you said they will creep up behind so they can't use it for cover. Get a some engies to set out Spits to shoot them as they fall down, etc. How dare they use tactics to get around your defenses, and why should you have to come up with tactics to counter their bailing.

SKYeXile · 2011-11-02, 08:16 AM

Originally Posted by Traak

As I said, you have a very high-hitpoint multi-weapon, fastest-weapon-in-the game plane, but you sissies want more? What more can you possibly want?

What do you want? God mode? You have had far too much, for far too long, and like most people who are over-entitled, you are working to defend the status quo.

The greed is almost unimaginable. Quit attacking me with your childish little taunts for pointing this out, and making up childish imaginary scenarios where you drop from the plane and heroically own everyone with your knife. It is never going to happen, and you are obfuscating the issue.

Bailure is failure. No game needs it. Especially PS2.

the skeeter reaver and wasp has the lowest hit points of all vehicles, bar like an ATV and possibly some obscure vehicle I'm forgetting...what game were you playing?

TRex · 2011-11-02, 08:44 AM

@Traak

Just as a point of reference , since ,from my perspective you're getting too inflamed and negative about this and many other references to other aspects of the game. If I'm wrong, I apologise in advance , and it's nothing personal.

The vast majority of my time in ps1 was playing as part of organised outfits , and of that time the vast majority of it was in galaxies , or armoured vehicles , with a mix of anything else thrown in. I've had air cav certed at times , but never really done a significant amount of hot-dropping as one , preferring the galaxy route since it's overall more teamplay orientated.
I've had AA max in past, and overall killed a good share of agiles bailing onto me , it's not impossible , depends on who dropped on you tbh, and your ability to deal with it or knowing when to do a sharp exit.
Whenever I've been in a dogfight in mossie , perhaps not the general ethos in the game, but whenever I got beat fair and square , I let them have the kill .Fighting 1 on 1 and being cut in with maxes on the ground, thats a different story. It's honour among thieves thing for me.
People hot dropping in agile /HA onto towers or bases , you have the advantage if you have any situational awareness and ability to shoot a gun in right direction. Sometimes though, you simply get outplayed by a superior player .Take note and move on , try to improve for next time.
Hacking is a different story, but just because you lost dosen't automatically render anyone that beats you must be a hacker either.
The beauty of ps1 was that at any time you could be shot at by any vehicles from any direction , from a sniper from a km away , by a cloaker in your back , blown up by a mine , or aircraft , or by a hotdropper dropping onto a tower. It's what made the game such a unique experience. And a place for everyone.
Do I like cloaking ? not particularly ,had 'spells' at it, but I accept they are in the game and good luck to them. Same goes for Maxes .Its not my cup of tea , but I've known a lot of people that use them almost exclusively , and still good players when they aren't in one. Same goes for anything in the game.
Just because it dosen't fit into my prefered style of play , I'm not nerdraging because they are there . But I will defend against those wanting to continue the rot that affected the original game, and carrying on this rot into the next incarnation.

Bailing may not even be in ps2 , but if it is , then I will live with it and learn to adapt as i go. There will be a class system , we don't know half the details on them so far . All i know is that the same people who progressed and adapted and learned all the ins and outs of the first game will endeavour to do so in the 2nd , and be generally derided and scorned for using all the tools made available to them as usual. They will find the best tactics , learn every weapon's ttk and pro and cons , learn the terrain and improve . Success breeds success.

edit: checked Bags ps2 faq thing, mossie/reaver/scythe hotdropping confirmed

Draep · 2011-11-02, 10:15 AM

Do any of you really think the mosquito in its current form is balanced? Any amount of AA can be avoided. Fastest vehicle in the game. Has a weapon, allows you to carry any weapon or piece of equipment, has ground radar. The only trade off is a little less armor.

My problem with it is not that it's too hard to kill hot droppers, but hot dropping out of aircav simply looks stupid. Why would it be acceptable to wreck your million dollar plane just so you can get on to a tower. I understand its all free anyway, but it doesn't look right to me. It is clearly not how the game is meant to be played. If you can prove to me it is, I'll def go play another game.

I have faith that this will be changed in the next game however. Based on many posts here, perhaps it already is.

Bags · 2011-11-02, 11:27 AM

Originally Posted by Draep

Why would it be acceptable to wreck your million dollar plane just so you can get on to a tower.

It MIGHT have something to do with the fact that Planetside isn't a war simulator and the planes don't cost money.

I think the better question is 'why don't we have to use the restroom'; I mean c'mon, it simply looks stupid that you can play 10 hours and never go! Why is it acceptable to never use the restroom???