Potential For Selling Pay To Win - Page 5

Winfernal · 2012-06-04, 08:02 PM

Originally Posted by p0intman

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*facepalm*

You don't see it do you?

THEY (THE INDUSTRY) HAVE ALREADY STATED THAT THIS IS EXACTLY WHERE THEY WANT TO GO, FULL STOP. ITS BEEN STATED BY MORE THAN ONE PERSON AND ON MORE THAN ONE INSTANCE. THIS IS A PROMISE THAT HIGBY NOR SOE WILL EVER POSSIBLY KEEP. IT IS FALSE TO BELIEVE THEY WILL NOT SELL WEAPONS FOR REAL CASH.

There. its in fucking capslock for you.

What?...

I don't get it.

p0intman · 2012-06-04, 08:03 PM

Originally Posted by Virulence

Watch that presentation I posted - it covers the progression of a F2P game from just selling boosts, customization, and convenience to a direct P2W game because the game just wasn't making enough money off of the former, and they made their shop significantly more profitable by going P2W.

You can also look at the way LoL has handled it. They haven't released a new champion for less than 6,300 IP in a very long time, and I guarantee that's because they make a significant amount of money off of people buying RP for a new champion that looks really cool that they want to play to pick up that champion on day one, and they don't play enough to save up enough IP to buy that champion with that.

I've seen it so many times that if I have to hear that goddamn british accent again, I'm going to claw my ears out with dull objects.

Durr. See my above post where I pre emptively call smedley and matt higby liars flat out.

Toppopia · 2012-06-04, 08:04 PM

I think Higby will want to keep that promise, then along comes the higher ups and force him to do what he doesn't want to do, because Higby doesn't want to see the game turn into something he doesn't like.

p0intman · 2012-06-04, 08:05 PM

Originally Posted by Winfernal

What?...

I don't get it.

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http://www.gamesindustry.biz/article...m-in-two-years

http://www.slideshare.net/bcousins/paying-to-win

Read and watch both.

Winfernal · 2012-06-04, 08:05 PM

Originally Posted by p0intman

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http://www.gamesindustry.biz/article...m-in-two-years

http://www.slideshare.net/bcousins/paying-to-win

Read and watch both.

It was sarcasm, i do get it.

But oh well, i'll watch it when it's not 4 hours left until my alarm rings. Night, night.

I'll dream about your CAPS-LOCK!

p0intman · 2012-06-04, 08:06 PM

Originally Posted by Psi

So. Anyone have some insight on how I can block Pointman's threads from showing for me? They seem to be a constant waste.

Side of my post.. click ignore.

Originally Posted by Winfernal

It was sarcasm, i do get it.

But oh well, i'll watch it when it's not 4 hours left until my alarm rings.

Sarcasm doesnt translate over text due to a lack of vocal tone.

maradine · 2012-06-04, 08:07 PM

I'm having great difficulty understanding what the purpose of this thread is. It ain't debate - no one's budging. It ain't warning - we get it. And I'm pretty sure Higby can afford to receive his abuse from trained professionals.

Winfernal · 2012-06-04, 08:08 PM

Originally Posted by p0intman

Side of my post.. click ignore.

Sarcasm doesnt translate over text due to a lack of vocal tone.

Didn't you see the "notes" above the letters? It clearly shows my tone being sarcastic...

p0intman · 2012-06-04, 08:09 PM

Originally Posted by Winfernal

Didn't you see the "notes" above the letters? It clearly shows my tone being sarcastic...

No, I didn't buy that windows add on from microsoft or google for chrome.

Toppopia · 2012-06-04, 08:11 PM

Originally Posted by p0intman

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http://www.gamesindustry.biz/article...m-in-two-years

http://www.slideshare.net/bcousins/paying-to-win

Read and watch both.

Oh boy, a free to play game thats like Skyrim. Can't wait

Envenom · 2012-06-04, 08:12 PM

Originally Posted by p0intman

That faster advancement will turn into being more diverse than others earlier than they otherwise would be, being able to do more sooner is an advantage especially in a shooter. In essence, I can do things before you can because I have paid real world cash to make it happen.

Muffin....

p0intman · 2012-06-04, 08:14 PM

Originally Posted by Toppopia

Oh boy, a free to play game thats like Skyrim. Can't wait

you must be trolling me to think its that simple. i don't care very much to write it down plainly, but that isn't the message. the message is next to mandatory pay to win by the time of 3.0. in other words, korea is fucking influencial, more than it should be.

CuddlyChud · 2012-06-04, 08:14 PM

I don't understand the point of this post. Are you trying to tell us that P2W is inevitable and therefore we shouldn't waste our time with PS2? Because if that's the case, you should really lead by example.

Virulence · 2012-06-04, 08:15 PM

Originally Posted by p0intman

I've seen it so many times that if I have to hear that goddamn british accent again, I'm going to claw my ears out with dull objects.

Durr. See my above post where I pre emptively call smedley and matt higby liars flat out.

Cool, whatever. Higby is not the right person to direct your rage at, even if he's the most visible member of the PS2 development team.

Here're your options to resolve your complaints, probably not to your satisfaction.

1) Don't play Planetside 2 at all because you disagree with the business model.

2) Play Planetside 2 and don't spend any money on it at all because you disagree with the business model.

There have been thousands of rage-filled rants like yours posted on myriad F2P game forums about how it's unfair and how it's not okay to sell these things for real cash, but the companies do it anyway because the internal data they get with regards to the people buying store items says that it is okay and that they're making money off of it - and that they're going to continue making money off of it. Your opinions are, while certainly not unique, irrelevant. Doing one of the above two things would make more of a difference in rebelling against the business model.

IMMentat · 2012-06-04, 08:15 PM

For instance, look at tribes, some of the weapons cost 100k to get. Well thats only 100 games. In a week you have that item easily.

Something tells me you don't work long hours or work at all if you can play 14 games of tribes a day.
At an average of 15 minute bouts thats 3-4 hours a day, 24 hours every week to earn a single item, I name that a rip-off.

I maybe play 1-2 hours a day before having other things I need to do (LoL daily, something with friends/family plus house stuff), that makes it around a month of daily play per 100k upgrade.
As for the RMT pricing, Microtransactions should not start at the 2-3 dollar mark (and thats the sale pricing), the clue is in the name.
IMO Hi-Rez make great games with horrible marketplaces and terrible accessibility for casual players. The playerbase becomes stratified after the first month of release due to MMORPG equipment stats. Persistent players end up with many factors more power, health and options than the average player and in a shooter environment that is like handing out a free win.
But I digress.

The ability to buy (reasonably priced) boosters allow casual gamers make up for only having a small ammount of time available to play.
They also let hardcore players max out everything pretty damned quickly, which is one of the reasons rest XP and a daily challenge/quest are great in most Multiplayer games.

If EverQuest2 is anything to go by PS2 marketplace could well start with items at 50-100 SC then better and more impressive stuff around the 3-4k mark.
I just hope that one day F2P devs will realise that nickling and diming the playerbase is encouraged (Basic stuff for pocketchange? Here, take my money!) but hand over fist dollar snatching for every lowly item is bad-form and pisses folk off.

Diversity advancement rather than pure stats boosts (world of tanks i'm looking at you) can allow a casual player specialised in 1-2 areas can compete evenly with any player within those specialist areas. Its the balance of having multiple upgraded/superior items that usually allows long-term players to steamroll fights.
Matt Higby and Co have stated they aim for a 20% total advantage for an experienced player compared to a newbie. Thats weapon, certs, gear, and passive boosts combined.

I pray to God(s)

they pull it off.