How do you feel about the current TTK? - Page 5

Bags · 2012-06-10, 05:13 AM

Originally Posted by ThermalReaper

Are you sure bags? Prime example of this was the Vanu engineer who deployed a turret in a TR base with two MAXs. Someone took 8 or more turret shots to die.
Guess I'll have to retwatch it. But yeah, as Green said, we will have to wait for the beta to be 100% sure.

at 37:52 - 38:00 watch the heavy assault, he is 2 shotted by a medic. Total time to kill is about a second.

goneglockin · 2012-06-10, 05:15 AM

Originally Posted by Bags

But this was with a smallscale fight, with people who can't aim due to being new, or because of the unfamiliar PC setup. Heavy assaults were dropping in under a second to light assault fire; in situations that NO ONE would have the reaction time to respond in.

But what do you really know about what you saw? I saw plenty of people who did not die in less than a second, and that means the truth is somewhere in the middle.

ThermalReaper · 2012-06-10, 05:16 AM

Do'h. Maybe he got Headshotted?
But I could have sworn other medics and engineers took longer to kill people in day 3.

Bags · 2012-06-10, 05:17 AM

Originally Posted by ThermalReaper

Do'h. Maybe he got Headshotted?
But I could have sworn other medics and engineers took longer to kill people in day 3.

Two headshots are not hard to get in slow paced games like BF3 and PS2. If you can two shot people like that then the TTK will be much too fast.

Bags · 2012-06-10, 05:18 AM

Originally Posted by goneglockin

But what do you really know about what you saw? I saw plenty of people who did not die in less than a second, and that means the truth is somewhere in the middle.

No, that just means people can't aim. 90% of the people can't aim who were playing, even if to no fault of their own (hell, hard to play standing up on my home pc!). And yet people dropped in half a second a lot. Imagine it with halfway decent play.

ThermalReaper · 2012-06-10, 05:19 AM

You have a point there. It's good that you noted it so they would have time to fix in beta. But other than that I don't remember people dying that fast on full health. Unless there were some in Day 2, I missed that.

goneglockin · 2012-06-10, 05:20 AM

Originally Posted by Bags

at 37:52 - 38:00 watch the heavy assault, he is 2 shotted by a medic. Total time to kill is about a second.

That's a light assault getting shot in the head.

Bags · 2012-06-10, 05:23 AM

Originally Posted by goneglockin

That's a light assault getting shot in the head.

How does a light assault have the LMG pulsar with a 75 shot clip?

Along with no jump jet, and the HA shield power.

goneglockin · 2012-06-10, 05:26 AM

Originally Posted by Bags

How does a light assault have the LMG pulsar with a 75 shot clip?

Along with no jump jet, and the HA shield power.

It says light assault right before he spawns. He uses the jump jets like a minute later on next spawn, same gear.

PS:

His health bar is at a sliver and says "warning." It must be a cut in the video. Anyway, this is what I'm saying. If you didn't play it, you don't know. Truth is in the middle.

Bags · 2012-06-10, 05:29 AM

Originally Posted by goneglockin

It says light assault right before he spawns. He uses the jump jets like a minute later on next spawn, same gear.

But he has a HA only weapon and a HA special ability. They switched POVs. Look in the right hand corner of the guy dying.

10 seconds later he switches to light assault from HA!

Gandhi · 2012-06-10, 05:30 AM

I wouldn't mind some more restrictions on what can headshot. I saw some AA MAXs getting headshots... that's ridiculous, and like Bags says getting headshots in a game with longer TTK like this one isn't very hard. I think we'll all experience the consequences of this in the beta, and they won't be pretty. But if you all really want to keep it I won't complain, the TR's high ROF weapons will be perfect for spamming headshots all day.

The TTK for vehicles looked way too short, but this was harder to tell on the stream so I'll shut up about it until I give it a shot in the beta.

goneglockin · 2012-06-10, 05:41 AM

Originally Posted by Bags

But he has a HA only weapon and a HA special ability. They switched POVs. Look in the right hand corner of the guy dying.

10 seconds later he switches to light assault from HA!

Still have no idea what you're talking about.

One thing you can see plain as day is that on the next death he is gnawed on by 3 different people as light assault before being killed. So either it was heavy assault and they have a paper asshole, or the video is cut in a way that makes it look ridiculous.

Bags · 2012-06-10, 05:55 AM

Originally Posted by goneglockin

Still have no idea what you're talking about.

One thing you can see plain as day is that on the next death he is gnawed on by 3 different people as light assault before being killed. So either it was heavy assault and they have a paper asshole, or the video is cut in a way that makes it look ridiculous.

Okay, let me break it down for you:

37:49 - guy is dicking around in the deploy menu, never hits deploy

37:51 - Camera cuts to a heavy assault running at the TR spawn. Note the LMG pulsar (75 shot clip 300 cap) and HA shield ability in the bottom right.

37:57 - first shot hits, armor gone

37:58 - second shot hits, dead

38:05 - deploy screen, heavy assault is already selected

Summary: heavy assault trooper got two shotted by a medic using a Cycler carbine.

**Malorn** · 2012-06-10, 06:07 AM

I think the presence of headshots makes the TTK vary widely. Could take several body shots or a quick burst to the head. I expect most will be a combination of head shots and body shots but it still seems to me like the game is about who sees who first, which is unfortunate.

Chrispin · 2012-06-10, 06:13 AM

I hope this low TTK gets fixed. Maybe it was just for show at E3, but headshots do too much damage. It might look way better in long-range fights, but that TTK is still pretty short for close-range.