Does anyone like the New Conglomerate?

[Ratstomper]

Originally Posted by NoDachi

Every tyrant in the making think they have the moral high ground.

But no tyrant in history has fought for the freedoms of people.

[Vancha]

Originally Posted by Ratstomper

Not only corrupt, but are willing to have young girls brutalized if people don't do what they want.

I must be missing something. What didn't she do that they wanted her to? Also, Waterson is TR, so what about that story shows the NC to be corrupt?

[Airanuva]

Originally Posted by Ratstomper

Higby HAS to say that. As a matter of community representation of the dev team and SoE, he can't say one faction is the good guys and the others are assholes and lunatics.

Noone is perfect, but anyone who isn't a mouth-breathing retard can see NC are on a higher moral ground than TR or VS.



Not only corrupt, but are willing to have young girls brutalized if people don't do what they want.

NC doesn't exactly have a moral high ground when they are being financed by big business looking for freedom from taxes.
The Vanu don't exactly have a moral high ground either, but are only really fighting because they are being forced to. If they had the choice they'd just continue their experimentation with the vanu technology and just let NC and TR have at it.

[Ratstomper]

Originally Posted by Vancha

I must be missing something. What didn't she do that they wanted her to? Also, Waterson is TR, so what about that story shows the NC to be corrupt?

We're talking about the TR.

Originally Posted by Mechlord

Their backstory is that they think the TR are thought police.

Because they are.[/URL]

Originally Posted by Vancha

That was their backstory, but this is a different game with different lore. PS1 backstory no longer applies.

Originally Posted by Mechlord

Yes. In PS2 they are corrupt.Great

[Vreki]

Originally Posted by Ratstomper

But no tyrant in history has fought for the freedoms of people.

Sure they have, thats how they get the popular support in the beginning.
And then when they have power, they start to protect people against themselves.

[Bags]

About a third of the playerbase, yeah.

[Ratstomper]

Originally Posted by Airanuva

NC doesn't exactly have a moral high ground when they are being financed by big business looking for freedom from taxes.
The Vanu don't exactly have a moral high ground either, but are only really fighting because they are being forced to. If they had the choice they'd just continue their experimentation with the vanu technology and just let NC and TR have at it.

Freedom from taxes? Oh my god, what fucking assholes! That's it, I'm changing my faction.

Now, do I want to be part of a brutal power-grabbing regime who attacks it's defenseless civillians in the name of "peace" () or a lunatic cult that wouldn't be so bad if they would just spend a little more time figuring Vanu tech out before declaring them gods and forcing everyone to either assimilate or die. I'm not sure, I just....HEY WAIT A MINUTE!

Also, Vanu shot first.

Originally Posted by Vreki

Sure they have, thats how they get the popular support in the beginning.
And then when they have power, they start to protect people against themselves.

And what exactly is there to lose? As if the TR weren't ALREADY "protecting" the people against themselves (through violence and propaganda of course)?

[NoDachi]

Originally Posted by Ratstomper

But no tyrant in history has fought for the freedoms of people.

You're kidding right?

Nearly all of them have piggy-backed on revolution movements.

[Vancha]

Originally Posted by Ratstomper

We're talking about the TR.

"Their backstory" refers to NC in the first two quotes, so I'm not sure why it got switched to TR in the third.

Some corruption certainly wouldn't hurt NC. They need some shadiness to keep them interesting.

[Kriegson]

Originally Posted by Airanuva

NC doesn't exactly have a moral high ground when they are being financed by big business looking for freedom from taxes.

That New Conglomerate is light years away and decades long since dead. The original NC and their intent basically died the moment the wormhole shut early and threw everything into catastrophic survival mode.

Much like the TR on earth is relatively more decent than the one on auraxis, the NC has changed from desiring free market by exploiting whatever technology Tom found, to freedom from the increasingly tyrannic terran republic.
The situation they are in simply doesn't support the misconception of them still being financed from big business (When they are entirely cut off from earth and have been for years) and simply wanting free market (When people are living under an iron fist with enforced curfew).

The Vanu don't exactly have a moral high ground either, but are only really fighting because they are being forced to. If they had the choice they'd just continue their experimentation with the vanu technology and just let NC and TR have at it.

True, but Vanu has always been sneering down their noses at the other factions, and by extension, the rest of the "lesser" human race. Just because they didn't intend to get into the war doesn't mean they haven't taken to it with wild zealotry and racial supremacy.

Originally Posted by Vancha

Some corruption certainly wouldn't hurt NC. They need some shadiness to keep them interesting.

That could easily lie in their underhanded techniques (Guerrilla warfare initially, probably fight dirty using tactics TR wouldn't think of or VS wouldn't "lower themselves" to using) and some of their more unsavory allies (pirates and mercenaries).
While their overall goal is the most altruistic, I imagine individuals within the organization could end giving it sinister elements..

[Vreki]

Originally Posted by Ratstomper

And what exactly is there to lose? As if the TR weren't ALREADY "protecting" the people against themselves (through violence and propaganda of course)?

You missed the context, we were discussing tyrants in general.

The NC are just trying to avoid being oppressed by the TR or turned into alien-hybrids by the Vanu.
Loss of freedom or loss of humanity? The NC choose option C, "None of the above".

[Ratstomper]

Originally Posted by NoDachi

You're kidding right?

I'm not. A tyrant who goes on to rule with an iron fist was never fighting for the people's freedom in the first place. The NC haven't shown any indicators (as of yet) of being bad people, just shrewd business men and women. I would even go so far as to say NC are converse to the TR and VS and look bad from the outside, but are actually pretty good when you dig into whats going on.

Let's look at the events so far...

TR
-Part of a stable government on Earth that allowed some basic freedoms to it's people
-Brought by Connery on the voyage when the disaster struck
-Used blackmail and threats on innocent people to organize a coup
-Killed the TR president (and a TON of innocent people) in order to wrest power and initiate a violent crackdown on all civillians
-Spread propaganda blaming the NC for the deaths

VS
-Scientists and researches brought along with the voyage who discovered alien tech
-Start researching Vanu tech as a way to inprove humanity
-Start seeing Vanu as gods and become paranoid that the TR or NC may take or destroy Vanu tech
-Start killing people unprovoked

NC
-A conglomerate of corporations on earth who has a stated desire to allow people the freedoms of thought, speech, etc
-Funded Connery's mission through the wormhole and provided him with hired laborers and mercenaries, and a few execs to keep an eye on things
-After the wormhole collapse, food starts to go short and unrest starts to occur among people
-TR initiate their attack and crackdown, NC is left holding the bag
-laborers and mercenaries form a faction to stop martial law and take back what rights they deserve as citizens


NOWHERE (so far, at least) is ther any indication that the NC are evil. In fact, all indications point them to being better for civil liberty than the TR.

Originally Posted by Vreki

You missed the context, we were discussing tyrants in general.

The NC are just trying to avoid being oppressed by the TR or turned into alien-hybrids by the Vanu.
Loss of freedom or loss of humanity? The NC choose option C, "None of the above".

So, we're saying on a long enough time line, someone at some point will be a tyrant.

Yes, yes you're probably right.

EDIT: and it would take a faction like the New Conglomerate to stop it.

[Dagron]

NC is the lesser of 3 evils. Cthulhu will consume us all in the end, but i'm not going down without a fight.

[sunzen]

The NC are just trying to avoid being oppressed by the TR or turned into alien-hybrids by the Vanu.
Loss of freedom or loss of humanity? The NC choose option C, "None of the above".

Therefore the free-minded find themselves among the NC.

[Jonny]

NC are the best. TR are oppressive dictators. Vanu are....a joke!