News: New TotalBiscuit Video on IMPLANTS

[Lord Paladin]

Originally Posted by LastManStanding

I'm not that into having these implants for just a day. It Reminds me of Blacklight Retribution which has 24hr rentals and it's annoying to have to keep track of it all the time.

I'd rather it was for a week at least than have to keep going back and renting it again every time I play.

If it's in game time. That's a LOT of time.

If it's real time, then you just buy them when you get on the first time the next day.

This is the type of thing that the devs have said they're looking for feedback from the beta testers. I'm sure it'll be streamlined one way or another.

EDIT: in this way, I'd say it's better if it's in game time. Drop it down to 4/8/12 hours of GAME time and you're good to go. 4 hours is a decent sitting for a day, but if you play a lot and it annoys you, you can get the 12 hour and only have to mess with it every couple days.

[Monkey]

They look like floppy disks lol.

[Timealude]

Originally Posted by SFJake

Was flabbergasted when he said there was a resource booster.

Really?

Complete P2W there, no? Plus the durations of anything, if real time, can turn out to be quite kick in the nuts for players who don't play enough. You buy them for 30 minutes instead of hours and you end up out of Auraxium because you don't make up for it. While someone who just has more free time in one day doesn't have that problem.

I know we don't have more details but these are my worries as of this video.

EDIT: Furthermore, what is the purpose of that -anyway-? Apparently that same resource is used for unlocks. Really? So I guess I'll have to just keep it for everything else until I have everything in 2-3 years? Are we punishing unlock speed just by having implants?

I mean, tell me i got it wrong. Tell me I'm missing something there.

i dont see how its p2w where resource gain all depends on if your empire is good or not. that would be a player problem. it also doesnt seem like they will give you an advantage at all since cert are earned through playing and theres no implant to boost that as far as we know. and to your other point, they said they would be rolling out enough content to where its almost impossible to get everything unlocked.

[SixShooter]

I know I'm going to get eaten up for this but I'm going to say it anyway...

In MW3 there were a few ways that you could (and still can) get double XP. It would last for a set amount of in-game time and you could always see how much time you had left.

This would be preferable to buying something that's going to last 24 hours in real time because you actually get to use it for 24 hours. There are days where I will probably only get to play 2-3 hours at the most and it would suck to only get to use something for 2-3 hours when I spent the resouces for 24 hours of access. To balance it out, either the time frame can be lowered or the cost can be increased.

There are other games that sell you stuff for 24 hours that go the real time route and I just don't like it and don't make those purchases.

Now that I've said it, let the flaming ensue...

[Tuoweit]

Originally Posted by Monkey

They look like floppy disks lol.

Just don't ask for technical details on how they're implanted...

[Monkey]

Originally Posted by Tuoweit

Just don't ask for technical details on how they're implanted...

Does it involve lubrication...

[SFJake]

Originally Posted by Timealude

i dont see how its p2w where resource gain all depends on if your empire is good or not. that would be a player problem. it also doesnt seem like they will give you an advantage at all since cert are earned through playing and theres no implant to boost that as far as we know. and to your other point, they said they would be rolling out enough content to where its almost impossible to get everything unlocked.

2 empire have equal control.

1 has more people buying resource boost.

That empire has more resources.

Unless resources are pointless, thats what we call pay to win. You pay, and you have an advantage. Period.


You missed my 2nd point. Having to sacrifice getting more unlocks just to keep up in power with other players is dumb. I shouldn't have to suddenly play more to unlock something just because I want a fair fight, especially with how much there's already going to be.

[Syphus]

Originally Posted by SFJake

2 empire have equal control.

1 has more people buying resource boost.

That empire has more resources.

Unless resources are pointless, thats what we call pay to win. You pay, and you have an advantage. Period.


You missed my 2nd point. Having to sacrifice getting more unlocks just to keep up in power with other players is dumb. I shouldn't have to suddenly play more to unlock something just because I want a fair fight, especially with how much there's already going to be.

They have more resources in a pool, which does not matter all that much as the limiting factor is people and whatever they can shoot. Nor does it lower timers, so if you ignore the other implants, if someone keeps losing vehicles, they can have all the resources they want, however you still can't make 15 minutes go any faster.

However, in reality, one side will always have more in their resource pool, which makes it highly unlikely the pool will matter that much.

[Lord Paladin]

Originally Posted by SFJake

2 empire have equal control.

1 has more people buying resource boost.

That empire has more resources.

Unless resources are pointless, thats what we call pay to win. You pay, and you have an advantage. Period.


You missed my 2nd point. Having to sacrifice getting more unlocks just to keep up in power with other players is dumb. I shouldn't have to suddenly play more to unlock something just because I want a fair fight, especially with how much there's already going to be.

Higby has already said his definition of buying power means when you're in a fight with another character you have an advantage in killing them because you spent money. Things like XP boosters or resource boosters don't help you kill someone. So to SOE its fair game for purchase.

[Revanmug]

They aren't too noticeable which I like. The fact that it last a certain period of time doesn't bother me too much as I see them as something to use later on. What I mean by that is that at first, you have a very little pool of auraxium and there may be a few thing you want to buy aka weapon, etc. Once you are more confortable and get a bigger pool of ressource, you can start to spend it on non permanent upgrade.

I have no clue how much Auraxium you get normally but I wouldn't be surprise if the implants are a way to spend say ressource rather than have it accumulate constantly. If it happen, auraxium lose all its value making the ressource game inexistent

[Otleaz]

I like how SOE claims veterancy in this field yet keeps making blunders that numerous other F2P games have moved past, including tribes. I hope they fix this over the course of beta...

Originally Posted by Lord Paladin

Higby has already said his definition of buying power means when you're in a fight with another character you have an advantage in killing them because you spent money.

That is exactly why the implants are crossing the line.

I don't play competitive games to win because I had enough in game currency to afford the best gear...
I play them to put myself against other people. Our situational awareness, our tactical proficiency, our ability to react, our ability to aim, our experience and knowledge about the game.

Do you know how much enjoyment I get out of knowing that the guy I just beat had inferior gear? 0. Do you know how much enjoyment I get out of knowing that the guy I just lost to had superior gear? 0.

A full, permanent loadout INCLUDING IMPLANTS should be given to new players either at arrival to the game, or over the course of their first few hours in game, bringing them onto a competitive level.

This isn't some shitty MMO where you are wacking on rabbits so you can eventually beat up pigs, this is a shooter and should be treated as such.

Originally Posted by Revanmug

If it happen, auraxium lose all its value making the ressource game inexistent

That is a gimmick they used to hype the game. They already destroyed the "resource game" by introducing a resource booster.

[Flaropri]

Rather disappointed that it looks like resource booster affects all four resources and not just Auraxium. Interesting information though.

As far as implants being 24-hour things... the other alternative is to make them much more expensive. While I would not be opposed to that as an option, this means that a "full set" of implants is within reach of relatively new players... and after all, unless completely shut out of all continents, you're probably going to get more than 20 or even 80 Auraxium a day. But of course value depends on how much you play.

[SFJake]

Originally Posted by Lord Paladin

Higby has already said his definition of buying power means when you're in a fight with another character you have an advantage in killing them because you spent money. Things like XP boosters or resource boosters don't help you kill someone. So to SOE its fair game for purchase.

Are you serious?

So, they blatantly say "its not P2W, but your definition of P2W is probably not the same as ours!"

Genius!

[Lord Paladin]

Originally Posted by Otleaz

I like how SOE claims veterancy in this field yet keeps making blunders that numerous other F2P games have moved past, including tribes. I hope they fix this over the course of beta...




That is exactly why the implants are crossing the line.

I don't play competitive games to win because I had enough in game currency to afford the best gear...
I play them to put myself against other people. Our situational awareness, our tactical proficiency, our ability to react, our ability to aim, our experience and knowledge about the game.

Do you know how much enjoyment I get out of knowing that the guy I just beat had inferior gear? 0. Do you know how much enjoyment I get out of knowing that the guy I just lost to had superior gear? 0.

A full, permanent loadout INCLUDING IMPLANTS should be given to new players either at arrival to the game, or over the course of their first few hours in game, bringing them onto a competitive level.

This isn't some shitty MMO where you are wacking on rabbits so you can eventually beat up pigs, this is a shooter and should be treated as such.


That is a gimmick they used to hype the game. They already destroyed the "resource game" by introducing a resource booster.

If you listen to the video, in the very begining he says all implants are bought with in game resources except for the XP booster and resource booster. Which doesn't give anyone better gear or any combat increase. It just means if Joe can only play for an hour a day, he can keep up with Billy who plays 10. You might not be able to get enough resources in an hour to purchase a galaxy or 2. And if you're playing the game a lot, you don't need it.

Also, socketing one of these will mean that you can't use one that affects combat. It's not an instant 500 resources you're getting, it's something that increases the rate that you get them over time.

[Electrofreak]

I wonder if everyone's going to end up using the same implants...