Reddit Style Voting for Six Month Plan - Page 5

Rockit · 2013-01-24, 04:59 PM

Originally Posted by Javelin

For the folks that don't want to go reddit to see this, here:

If you clowns on Reddit want to gain some notoriety beyond 4chan then please go do that. No one appreciates your depreciated format. It's awful. Period.

Figment · 2013-01-24, 05:00 PM

Originally Posted by Hamma

I don't like this at all. Votes are exploitable, popularity contests are not the way to decide the six month plan. Let people discuss, read the feedback and decide how to proceed.

This sort of crap is to easily influenced by large groups of people and influential individuals.

The Zerg already decides the outcome of the game IN game.

I've looked at what get votes on reddit and what doesn't.

Mankind proved what it is to me once more.

The things that get hundreds of votes are not the idea threads, but random idiocy videos.

I'd prefer an enquiry poll per topic: Excellent (10 - 1) Horrible.

Followed by a few open questions:
"If you think it's the right direction, but not perfect, what do you think needs tweaking and why?"
"If you think it's the wrong direction, do you know of any good alternatives? If so, which and where can we find discussion on it?"

Roy Awesome · 2013-01-24, 05:00 PM

I said this on smedley's post, but:

From moderation experience, Reddit's system doesn't give you any winner or loser when it comes to idea, but it's a damn good straw-poll to check to see the way the wind is blowing.

Voting systems on the internet are easily manipulated and upvotes/downvotes aren't a good way make any final decisions (although we have some cool tools at our disposal).

I like the way SOE is approaching this. Get the temperature with certain ideas and see how it goes. They kinda did this back in September with higby's Top Issues in Beta post . Building something that is very specific to Planetside 2 on the SOE forums is probably the best way forward with this.

Rockit · 2013-01-24, 05:01 PM

Originally Posted by Rockit

If you clowns on Reddit want to gain some notoriety beyond 4chan then please go do that. No one appreciates your depreciated format. It's awful. Period.

Allow me to reiterate.

Javelin · 2013-01-24, 05:03 PM

Originally Posted by Rockit

If you clowns on Reddit want to gain some notoriety beyond 4chan then please go do that. No one appreciates your depreciated format. It's awful. Period.

I posted it here for the LAZY that cant click a link for 1 post.

Rockit · 2013-01-24, 05:04 PM

Reddit is awful. Just bad and no one cares to visit it. Hey guys the 80's are missing you.

Javelin · 2013-01-24, 05:06 PM

Originally Posted by Rockit

Reddit is awful. Just bad and no one cares to visit it. Hey guys the 80's are missing you.

Not disagreeing, just putting the information here for everyone to see.

Rockit · 2013-01-24, 05:07 PM

Originally Posted by Javelin

Not disagreeing, just putting the information here for everyone to see.

Well then can you see why such a "vote" might be biased? The only people who give a shit about that format are Reddit users?

Wahooo · 2013-01-24, 05:10 PM

Originally Posted by Rockit

Reddit is awful. Just bad and no one cares to visit it. Hey guys the 80's are missing you.

Someone posted once and got nothing but down votes...

Javelin · 2013-01-24, 05:11 PM

Originally Posted by Rockit

Well then can you see why such a "vote" might be biased? The only people who give a shit about that format are Reddit users?

Dude, I only posted Smedleys remarks from there to here so everyone can see it.

I'm not debating the merits of reddit.

Rockit · 2013-01-24, 05:13 PM

Originally Posted by Wahooo

Someone posted once and got nothing but down votes...

Nah I posted none. Dont give a shit about Reddit. Climb another hill. This is a terrible antiquated format. But I wouldn't expect anything less from a terrible antiquated company like SOE. Just horrible. Listserv died a while ago but Reddit didnt get the memo. 4chan I can expect but SOE get's behind this Reddit effort. LMFAO.

Crator · 2013-01-24, 05:31 PM

Originally Posted by Rat

I dont think anyone is going to create 2487 accounts to try to influence a vote.

You'd be amazed at what some fanatics will do. And it doesn't require a single person creating that many accounts, most likely. Get your large/semi large outfit to create several accounts and they win.

Figment · 2013-01-24, 05:34 PM

The issue with votes is that it's yes or no.

Typically it's a "Yes, but", "No, but" or "maybe, if". You can't vote on the specifics of the conditions of the plan or in relation to other things. Mere votes that create a random jumble of plans that mix badly is simply a poor vision.

What if one thing is really popular but completely undos other changes or is completely counter-productive to other changes or in relation with other changes?

I mean, look at my Bio Lab flow idea. It's a package design. Change only one element of changes in it and I can't guarantee it works because the package has been changed. Hell, it could even become worse if the wrong combination of elements is executed and really good ideas might end up backfiring and getting hated just because the oversight was made to change the appropriate linked features with it.

Eduard Khil · 2013-01-24, 05:38 PM

Hah, so they want popularity contests to define things?

I can't wait to see my bots define the outcomes.

NapalmEnima · 2013-01-24, 05:40 PM

Based on smedley's reddit post, it sounds like they already have a pretty good idea of what the features will be, but are letting the players pick which order some of them come in.

And once they start building those features, I suspect it'll be similar to beta in that SOE will listen to it's players and take their opinions into account when making changes... not feverishly obeying the loudest voices.

On several occasions, Higby has posted/tweeted something to the effect of:

"Scissors are OP, rock seems balanced"
-- Paper

Definitely not "design by mob", and not all that much "schedule by mob".

I'm guessing it'll be something like:

6 Month Plan:
Thing that will definitely be included

Another thing that will definitely be included.

Optional thing 1

Optional thing 2

Optional thing 3

Optional thing 4

Optional thing 5

"We only have time for 3 of the 5 Optional Things. Which ones would you like to see first?"

And whatever doesn't make it in this time will be up for inclusion in the next 6 month plan.

Not worried.