Anybody else delete their Vanu character after the new update?

[KesTro]

Originally Posted by Snoopy

Maybe if we cry enough, like the NC did, we can get them nerfed into the ground?

Preposterous, we all know TR whine the loudest.

[Forsaken One]

To the ones above me talking about the vanus guns you are forgetting something.

The Vanu guns have the severe disadvantage of massive damage drop off at even a little range.

It is so bad that there is a reason why you hardly see any Vanu snipers. Its because their bolt actions tend to hit like most other empires semi sniper guns.

so attach that to every vanu gun.

Also what are we monkeys? I hate when dexterity/hand eye is rewarded with better stats and stuff. dexterity/hand eye based stuff should never = more power in a fps or moba. This is what leaves everything else as crap.

true balanced game = everything has fair stats and is equally useable, there are those who like to challenge themselves and they will use harder and more "skilled" stuff. you shouldn't force people to play with that stuff because its stats wise better.
Like in CS:S the only things people use is the D. Eagle and the snipers... they have power because they "take the most skill" making any of the other guns semi-fully useless. lol

If you balance stuff by skill you just may as well delete everything that's not top skill, if anything you will at least not be a ass tricking people into thinking that the other guns are worth useing.

[Qwan]

[QUOTE=BlaxicanX;910382]The Vanu aesthetic is just ass. Their guns all look and sound like nerf guns, and their outfits, both for infantry and for MAX's, looks like some reject from Halo's Covenant. The whole "purple spandex" thing with their "pewpew" lasers is just whack. Even their announcer is boring; some old "intellectual" white guy...QUOTE]

LMAO yea he does sound like some Old intellectual white guy.

You will know the will of the VANU.

[almalino]

Originally Posted by Forsaken One

It is so bad that there is a reason why you hardly see any Vanu snipers. Its because their bolt actions tend to hit like most other empires semi sniper guns.

But, but, Vanu snipers still have 1 hit kill headshots on bolt action rifles. Actually, I am killed most by Vanu snipers then TR snipers. I was even start suspecting that it is very easy to kill with Vanu sniper.

[CraazyCanuck]

Originally Posted by almalino

But, but, Vanu snipers still have 1 hit kill headshots on bolt action rifles. Actually, I am killed most by Vanu snipers then TR snipers. I was even start suspecting that it is very easy to kill with Vanu sniper.

Do you know what range you were taken out at each time you were headshotted? Do you fight VS more then TR?

[Lucecarentes]

I'm starting to play VS less and less each day, the low damage on the guns, the worthless ESF and low population are starting to get to much for me.

Only thing thats keeping me on VS side are the people iv'e met, alot of them are now my good friends so leaving them would make me feel terrible. I only hop onto my VS if alot of my outfit friends are online and playing, if theres almost no one online or if our population is like 20% than i just go to my NC and have fun instantly killing everything with my Mercenary carbine.

The only good things the VS have atm are:
The music
The ideology
The announcer ( i really like the VS announcer)

[CraazyCanuck]

Originally Posted by Lucecarentes

The announcer ( i really like the VS announcer)

Reminds of Donald Sutherland.

[hashish]

hey guys, just had a read through this thread and im glad someone brough this up..

Now just to let you know, ive been playing VS since ps1 and ps2 beta.. havnt even bothered to play the others because i played many years of ps1 as Vanu and will stay loyal..

However it is very very very unfortunate that the lead creative designers ended up making Vanu in Ps2 look like a bunch of NOOBS let me extrapolate further;

- The only things that are actually good are aspects that do not effect gameplay such as: The music
The ideology
The announcer

- All the other elements unfortunatly really lack the design and overall "coolness" that has gone into the other factions. The again the "coolness" factor is something subjective based on opinions. So in that case whoever was in charge for designing the Vanu as a whole in PS2 is a complete retard.

- The weapons are pretty bad compared to others due to the high level of damage degredation. Although it has made us VS players much more skilled. The weapons do not share any level of creativity AT ALL. Essentially the look like crap and the saddest part is that almost EVERY SINGLE WEAPON looks the same EVEN THE LASHHER !?

- The Max's. Ohhhh dont even get me started on how GAY the MAX's look. Its so sad how SOE claim to react to the playerbase and use the feedback constructivley, and for the most part they probably do. The game is lookin better and better.. However the Vanu Max's seem to be getting shittier and shittier.. They look like some kid has watched alot of space movies and decided to draw up the GAYEST looking exoskeleton that doesnt look intimidating AT ALL !! WTF SOE!?!? I mean think about it all u Vanu players, when u run into a room with a NC or TR max in there, you would shit ur pants and run out before u get killed, even looking at them is quite intimidating. With the Vanu max people rush in and start laughing as they rinse up the VS MAX. I mean its a joke literally, even though im not a huge max player, i used to love the PS1 VS MAX, had a lot of fun, now i dont even consider it as there is absolutley 0 tactical advantage with those crappy inaccurate weapons that dont do damage to anything at a distance

- Infantry design and the stupid Cone Head helmets that i have no clue which asshole suggested it but now its in the game Here is an example:

This is what the VS used to look like:







Now, notice the battle-ready hardened look that is present and also the fact that they actually look like they have scale armour as well as on the legs.

Here is the PS2 representation:





Notice that the new ones do not look cool anymore.. They look so bad it puts me off Vanu. Even the sillioute of the VS heavy just doesnt match at all, its so angular and weird with a big stupid cone on the head WTF.

Even before ps2 was released, the images the produced of Vanu looked completely different and much better. They were acceptable. But i dont know which retard SOE hired to change that and make them look GAY !

Here is an image from before ps2 was released:



Anyways i was planning to write more on the MAX's and also the fact that the Vanu should have special empire specific armour that looks cool and should not be affected by the lashers lashes or infact we dont even have the lasher lashing ppl in ps2, it just explodes with area of effect damage such a dissapointment.. hope they got some devs reading this thread.. Vanu people used to be proud of being vanu, now everyone is leaving because of this shitty weapons and overall design of this faction.. I got class now so cant continue lol..

[Snydenthur]

Originally Posted by hashish

I don't usually care about how the game model looks, but that would be nice. It's like fabulous master chief.

[Thunderhawk]

T-RAY and his team put a whole lot of work and effort to create these chars for you, I find it rude and shortsighted to label him and them all as "retards".

I like the way the VS look, as you say, its a matter of opinion not a fact its just a shame that what seems like today's players seem to think looking manly and rugged is apparantly meant to make you better.....how so ?

How can you distinguish an empire that has its whole philosophy based on technology and alien tech if they all actually looked like normal soldiers, like the NC and TR do ?

There is a reason for the skin tight spandex looking armour, its a design philosophy that's seems to be disliked by many in this thread, but I certainly don't think it was due to the "retardedness" of the design team.

People don't like it, some do, that's fine, its a free world but not worthy of bashing a team because of it

The reason for the pop discrepancies in my book is purely the weaponry, and the very BAD damage degradation decision given to VS weapons, but even that is not the main factor, its the perceived lack of power of them due to the amount of whiners on the forums rather than the actual truth, which is that VS weapons are ok, for short to medium engagements, and let's face it, how often do you have long range rifle fights anyways.....

My 2 cents

[zirakaji]

2 Hashish, you sir earn 1000 certs with that post.

As a graphic designer myself, i can say that if a designer is a retard, doesnt matter what he did, he's still a retard.

Vanu used to have that cool techie look, now its more like a gay parade.

Yeah, i play vanu since PS1.

[SolLeks]

Originally Posted by Saintlycow

Fixed

And that wasn't too many people. Lots of NC are 4th factioners

NC since 05 here, My Vanu and TR Alts are BR 3 / 4 respectively.

[Chaff]

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Like I already said, I had a Blast playing VS last weekend.......1st time playing VS since PS1. The VS "look' is not important enough to turn me off, keep me away, or decide NOT to play VS. That being said, it seems like a significant percentage of players are turned-off somewhat by VS aesthetics.

I think there are design tweaks that every Empire would benefit from here-and-there. What should NOT be ignored by PS2 staff is the simple truth that the VS "look" gets the most negative feedback in this regard. It must be some immeasurable factor in their Pop. I liked playing VS a lot. NC was fun also. A change of scenery was good for me. I did like the Big-Punch NC weapons have. When your aim is true, it's a quick kill indeed.

Perhaps VS need some love with their weapons. I personally was happy to not feel any significant advantage or disadvantage between the three Empires. Stupid me....I even found gettinf kills with the VS Max to be every bit as easy as with my TR Max. POUNDER AV arms on my TR are very close to Worthless in my book. I did like have high success with my brief time with different NC Max loadouts.

I think there's much ado about small things. However, why not start making some samll changes to the VS "look" ? I need to play more VS. But, I was semi-shocked how much faster I raised BR as VS or NC ..... vs TR. I'm not complaining about TR at all. Perhaps my style nets its WORST results with TR weapon philosophy. Perhaps I AM THE PROBLEM. My life in a nutshell ?

Anyway, I want to vote for calmer heads with more tact and decorum towards the Devs. Constructive criticism, even when given with the best intent, can really hurt. I don't want us to cause any devs to get all butt-hurt cuz we're brutally critical. That isn't our right.

Heads up. These guys are tryin' hard to improve the game. Their feelings matter. We need to be more considerate while still being open & bluntly honest with our feedback.

[Aaron]

Originally Posted by hashish

- The Max's. Ohhhh dont even get me started on how GAY the MAX's look. Its so sad how SOE claim to react to the playerbase and use the feedback constructivley, and for the most part they probably do. The game is lookin better and better.. However the Vanu Max's seem to be getting shittier and shittier.. They look like some kid has watched alot of space movies and decided to draw up the GAYEST looking exoskeleton that doesnt look intimidating AT ALL !! WTF SOE!?!? I mean think about it all u Vanu players, when u run into a room with a NC or TR max in there, you would shit ur pants and run out before u get killed, even looking at them is quite intimidating. With the Vanu max people rush in and start laughing as they rinse up the VS MAX. I mean its a joke literally, even though im not a huge max player, i used to love the PS1 VS MAX, had a lot of fun, now i dont even consider it as there is absolutley 0 tactical advantage with those crappy inaccurate weapons that dont do damage to anything at a distance

Lol I almost think it is true that my opponents don't run away from my MAX. You rack up so many kills when they try to take you head on! xD

But really, I've found the VS MAX to be quite good. You can use the duel AV comets to snipe vehicles, too. I have lvl 5 nano-repair and sometimes I can keep going, and going, and going. Replace one arm with a Cosmos and you're pretty good AI wise. Just get dem headshots.

Also, Tramell Isaac Ray is the father of the Vanu empire and design. He's pretty cool, so I wouldn't call him a retard. Not a fan of the spandex though, I would like more of the emerald/amethyst solid armor around the legs and mid body. I got the extra cosmetic armor, but there's still a lot of spandex.

[CraazyCanuck]

Originally Posted by Chaff

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SNIP.

Agreed. Keep it constructive else your wasting your time and the possibility that a dev will see it and consider what were saying, not how some of us are saying it and in turn jog on without glancing back.