Has there been news of a buff for NC MAX? - Page 5

Wahooo · 2013-11-18, 12:54 AM

Originally Posted by War Barney

Jesus christ how have other NC not gone insane from these idiots trying to ensure our MAX stays useless with their dumb counter arguments?

My gawd I know how is it that not everyone else agrees with you? huh? I mean you are obviously the only one that makes sense... no possible way that anyone else that has any experience can disagree with you... what is wrong with all of the OTHER people?

KesTro · 2013-11-18, 02:00 AM

The NC MAX isn't bad. That's not the problem. The problem is it's niche where the other MAX's aren't. THAT is the problem a lot of us are complaining about. No amount of certs can change that niche for the NC max. I've always said that the NC doesn't have bad gear. I think in a lot of situations we have the 'best' gear. The problem is all that best gear is niche. It excels at that role and that role only as to where the other factions have the versatility. And that is what power is in this game.

MGP · 2013-11-18, 02:50 AM

Nothing to discuss here really. Stats show what NC max is better then TR max. Higby said what NC max is better then TR max... There's just a few NC baddies who want their toy buffed so they can score easy kills.

KesTro · 2013-11-18, 03:32 AM

Originally Posted by MGP

Nothing to discuss here really. Stats show what NC max is better then TR max. Higby said what NC max is better then TR max... There's just a few NC baddies who want their toy buffed so they can score easy kills.

Ignoring everything that's been posted over the last week. Crying real hard worked for the TR and VS. That's why NC is in a sorry state right now. We don't cry loud enough. So we're trying to learn from the masters. Wish us luck!

MGP · 2013-11-18, 03:39 AM

Originally Posted by KesTro

Crying real hard worked for the TR

Really? Can you name, let's say, 2 buffs for TR in the last 6 months?
Also, speaking of crying, entire official forum is basically an ocean of NC tears, some ow which are spilling over to PSU and Reddit. Like that's NOT LOUD ENOUGH?!

Back on topic. We have an game creative director's opinion, backed by game data, saying that NC maxes are fine. And we have personal opinion of some random NC dude, backed by his "feels", saying what NC maxes are baaaad. Can you guess which of those two opinions has more "weight"? Huh?

almalino · 2013-11-18, 03:46 AM

Originally Posted by MGP

backed by game data, saying that NC maxes are fine.

Can we have a link again please?

MGP · 2013-11-18, 03:49 AM

Originally Posted by almalino

Can we have a link again please?

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War Barney · 2013-11-18, 05:13 AM

http://www.planetside-universe.com/s...&highlight=Max

And heres the NC part of the test showing the NC MAX is awful... and hopefully soon I'll be able to find the other 3 parts.

Oh and can people stop posting stats that cover the entire lifespan of PS2 as if its any form of evidence at all. I know you think you can trick idiots with it but intelligent people know that stats covering years are worthless when working out balance currently.

And brutal I'm not insulting you really just point out why your idea of *fight in those 1% of situations* wont work, because the NC MAX needs to be right up next to the enemy to actually do anything which means you can only use a NC MAX for a rush, every other situation to get close enough means running across open ground into the enemy, most likely alone as nobody is going to follow a idiot charging across open ground just because he has a bad gun for the job.

And Wahoo, the fact is that I and other saying the NC MAX is gimped right now ARE right, Chewy has done the test showing for an absolute fact that the NC MAX is the worst MAX right now. If we can get into the 5-10m range we can do ok but that range is stupidly low for a game with such massive areas.

Oh and I find it hilarious that people are getting even more desperate and saying *but 1 guy at SOE said the NC MAX is fine!* cos ye theres no possible way SOE could make anything imbalanced the entire game has been in perfect balance since launch its just been getting more in balance... er... ye that makes so much sense.

The sad thing is nobody is dumb enough to ignore all this evidence that the NC MAX is awful and anybody whos played one knows that even with 1000s of certs of upgrades its the worst MAX (without them its useless) so obviously you just don't want it buffed cos you like knowing that you guys can use MAXs as a trump card in fights while the NC don't have that.

Its just sad how some people are so determined to make the game imbalanced to get easier fights while making others suffer.

MGP · 2013-11-18, 05:29 AM

We are buffing NC MAX so now it will only take one shot to kill an infantry (up from 2 shots), because pressing both left and right mouse buttons at the same time proven to be too difficult for certain NC players.

I bet you'd like that

War Barney · 2013-11-18, 05:33 AM

Originally Posted by MGP

I bet you'd like that

No we aren't the TR we want balanced weapons, what we would like it some kind of gun for our MAX that can be used at range so we have the option to fight at ranges beyond 5-10m, if that means nerfing the shotgun heavily fine, they aren't a great weapon for a MAX anyway as they rely on getting in close often by sneaking which a MAX can't do.

Its just sad that while people asking for a buff to the stupidly underpowered MAX have evidence to back it up people saying its fine just have insults or made up facts in the form of *I heard from a goat its fine so its fine*

MGP · 2013-11-18, 05:36 AM

Originally Posted by War Barney

No we aren't the TR we want balanced weapons, what we would like it some kind of gun for our MAX that can be used at range so we have the option to fight at ranges beyond 5-10m, if that means nerfing the shotgun heavily fine, they aren't a great weapon for a MAX anyway as they rely on getting in close often by sneaking which a MAX can't do.

Its just sad that while people asking for a buff to the stupidly underpowered MAX have evidence to back it up people saying its fine just have insults or made up facts in the form of *I heard from a goat its fine so its fine*

So you want to keep your instagib close range and get a long range option at the same time? How about no?
My Dual-Grinder MAX would like a few words with your TR toon... oh wait... you don't have any.

Anyway. If you think what your opinion is more important then opinion of Higby, who's got acces to a whole bunch of game data and stats, you're pretty self-centered.

War Barney · 2013-11-18, 05:36 AM

https://forums.station.sony.com/ps2/...ing-ai.139234/

Theres part 4 showing how bad the NC MAX is with great amounts of testing (and incidentaly how massively OP the VS MAX is in comparison to both the TR and the NC MAX)

Of course I expect people to say *but thats all evidence from hours of testing my random opinion was made up in 2 seconds so the NC MAX is fine!* Hopefully though SOE will listen one of these days

ringring · 2013-11-18, 05:41 AM

Originally Posted by War Barney

No we aren't the TR we want balanced weapons, what we would like it some kind of gun for our MAX that can be used at range so we have the option to fight at ranges beyond 5-10m, if that means nerfing the shotgun heavily fine, they aren't a great weapon for a MAX anyway as they rely on getting in close often by sneaking which a MAX can't do.

Its just sad that while people asking for a buff to the stupidly underpowered MAX have evidence to back it up people saying its fine just have insults or made up facts in the form of *I heard from a goat its fine so its fine*

This is possibly getting to the nub.

You want max balanced with max and presumably esf balanced with esf, HA balanced with HA and so on.

I do not. I want non-symmetrical balance. I want NC weapons to be different to TR and different again from VS. I want the tactics you have to use to be different across empires.

I do want balance across empires and I feel NC are getting the rough end of the stick here.

But, and I apologise in advance for offending you with disagreement but I do not think you have shown that the NC max is particularly underpowered. You have shown that you should use it differently to TR and different again from VS just as TR use their maxes differently than the VS use theirs.

MGP · 2013-11-18, 05:43 AM

Originally Posted by War Barney

https://forums.station.sony.com/ps2/...ing-ai.139234/

Theres part 4 showing how bad the NC MAX is with great amounts of testing (and incidentaly how massively OP the VS MAX is in comparison to both the TR and the NC MAX)

Of course I expect people to say *but thats all evidence from hours of testing my random opinion was made up in 2 seconds so the NC MAX is fine!* Hopefully though SOE will listen one of these days

It's just theorycrafting based on VR tests. Real gameplay situations showing 30% NC MAX advantage over TR MAX. But i agree with you, in VR shooting range, TR MAX is slightly better then NC MAX.

War Barney · 2013-11-18, 05:54 AM

<facepalm> so you are saying that in terms of effectiveness the NC MAX is worse and the TR one better (as VR doesn't count tactics only how good each gun is) but the NC are better than the TR at playing the game and using their stuff...

Are you trying to insult all the TR players or just saying NC has all the best players?. This shows simply that the NC MAX does less damage at pretty much all ranges than the other MAXs, its as simple as that, how good NC players are has nothing to do with it.

And ringring

A. I like variety but shotguns are NOT a good type of variety to be forced into, imagine if the only gun you could use on all your characters was a shotgun, you'd get pissed off pretty quickly at needing to be at point blank to do anything useful.

B. As for showing the NC MAX is underpowered, well I posted a link with all the testing and evidence chewy collected ( https://forums.station.sony.com/ps2/...ing-ai.139234/ ) which is more than enough proof.