News: Resolved - PS2 Region - Page 56

Shogun · 2012-02-24, 01:21 PM

why?
it would only make sense if pro7 was going to mess with the game or the shop, as a protection against players running to the original game over at soe.

if the game is exactly the same on both sides, there would be no loss for anyone when players use both servers. some eu would play in america and some americans would play in europe. it´s just exchange and not loss. as far as one side doesn´t screw the game causing the masses to transit away.

Kran De Loy · 2012-02-24, 01:22 PM

Originally Posted by Vash02

I'm thinking they will let us access all servers and just redirect european players to the Pro7 shop (thats where all the revenue is) and re-direct european support tickets to Pro7 aswell.

Since SOE is still managing all the servers it shouldnt be hard to implement.

Which is what I'm hoping they meant when they said they were talking with their techie departments to see if it is feasible. Which it is.

If Pro7 wants to try to tweak the EU item shop to their own interests tho, that would cause a huge rippling effect of disruption that would almost certain eliminate the possibility. If SOE still controlled the items and the item stats, but Pro7 controlled the pricing and marketing it'd work, but if Pro7 wants to control the stats too it would cause the huge imbalances between SOE owned items and Pro7 owned items and Euros could only use the euro items in euro servers and vice versa which was likely the source of the Region Locking.

Boomzor · 2012-02-24, 01:30 PM

Originally Posted by Crator

Honestly, I'm just curious about the "why" they wanted/needed to do it. That really hasn't been said yet.

In very rough terms, something like this:

When you're desperate, you do stupid stuff.
Varying parts of the Sony Conglomerate are on the ropes and need to show other than red numbers in their fiscal reports. SOE being one of them, they decide to close down studios and sell off property. Along comes Pro7, wanting to expand and all and said "we'll buy your EU customers, here's a lump sum to keep you afloat until you give us the product to make future money off"
Though I bet they will never ever truthfully comment on that cause that would send the shareholders into a hissyfit. Hell, government institutions won't get that information out of big companies without constitutional hearings, and quite possibly not even then.

Sta · 2012-02-24, 02:40 PM

Originally Posted by Crator

Honestly, I'm just curious about the "why" they wanted/needed to do it. That really hasn't been said yet.

If I remember correctly someone whos with soe has posted here that the decision was made by guys above the guys we know...
In my opinion they were simply completely unaware of the impact which their decision to split eu/usa could possibly have regarding the player base...
Its always like that, the people in highest positions always know how to make money not where their money came from..

EdiT:

Originally Posted by RadarX

Unfortunately I cannot comment more than we already have. These decisions are made at a very high level and affect all of our products. All I can do is reiterate what has already been stated. We are listening and in discussions with Prosieben over our products to explore options.

We will continue to ask for everyone's patience and constructive feedback.

EZShot · 2012-02-24, 03:02 PM

Originally Posted by Sta

In my opinion they were simply completely unaware of the impact which their decision to split eu/usa could possibly have regarding the player base...
Its always like that, the people in highest positions always know how to make money not where their money came from..

Bang on!

Greedy hands meddling in things they have no clue about

SuperMorto · 2012-02-24, 03:07 PM

Originally Posted by Hamma

Hasn't been to bad overall.

I think moderating the various official forum threads is a harder job.

We have less rules around here.

There are 22 deleted posts in this thread

And 23 of them are mine!!

Just kidding!.

jakaul · 2012-02-24, 03:07 PM

Hmm, I think I didn't give Smedley + Higby and the team enough credit. I'm not one to blindly follow anything, but damn, this is refreshing. (ie, thanks to Higby and team)

etheral · 2012-02-24, 03:17 PM

Earlier on in the thread someone (I forget who) mentioned that the pro7 deal might be a way for SOE to get around the fact that the whole "you cant bring a class action suit against us" provision in their TOS/EULA/whatever is illegal under EU law.

The idea was that under this partnership, pro7 would be the ones who would be liable for damages if another hacking fiasco, in exchange for a way to break into the mainstream MMO market.

Im not sure if this has any truth in it or not, but its believable. It also explains why SOE arent partnering with a more reputable or established company.

Mechzz · 2012-02-24, 04:47 PM

I've watched but never before posted on these forums.

What a week this has been.

My excitement for PS2 has risen as the rollout has progressed. I want to be fighting in those new bases and out on those beautiful landscapes. But now this! A highlight of the original PS was the ability to "follow the sun" - playing on Werner early evenings European time, but having the option to enjoy the different "taste and smell" on the US east coast server if the work schedule pointed towards a late night session.

Now we're to be locked into a euro-prison (I'm a UK player) in a game where your best weapon was sometimes the ability to call in your outfit's air support or MBT's and to be stuck in a platoon with poor to non-English speakers could literally be deadly and certainly frustrating.

But that's not all. The real reason I'm posting is that I took the bother to visit the "alaplaya", or whatever it is, website. Not promising. The "games" they advertise look one level up from Farmville and are not the kind of thing SOE should be associating themselves with. Their 16 year old mods demonstrate a stunning lack of understanding of written English. There is evidence that they might choose to exercise their ownership of the euro-rights to introduce game-altering cash-based changes. There is evidence they may have delayed game updates being pushed out.

Fragmenting the user base like this is NOT how to persuade me to sub, which I was seriously considering.

And to top it all, I'm a Glasgow Rangers fan.

Anyone from Scotland/UK will understand my deep depression and strong attraction to the whiskey bottle in the cupboard this dark Friday evening.....

Vancha · 2012-02-24, 05:04 PM

http://massively.joystiq.com/2012/02...ttle-scenario/

People are being warned off the game by comments below the very material that's meant to generate hype for it. The net profit of this deal is already declining.

Mirror · 2012-02-24, 06:37 PM

Originally Posted by Vancha

http://massively.joystiq.com/2012/02...ttle-scenario/

People are being warned off the game by comments below the very material that's meant to generate hype for it. The net profit of this deal is already declining.

Well SOE only have themselves to blame for this.

They have done all this promotion over the past 6 months to a year and basically have basically ruined it over the past few days.

GG SOE!!

ShadoViper · 2012-02-24, 06:42 PM

Originally Posted by Mirror

Well SOE only have themselves to blame for this.

They have done all this promotion over the past 6 months to a year and basically have basically ruined it over the past few days.

GG SOE!!

Sad but true

typhaon · 2012-02-25, 02:24 AM

Originally Posted by Crator

Honestly, I'm just curious about the "why" they wanted/needed to do it. That really hasn't been said yet.

There are probably a host of reasons.... all of them financial.

VioletZero · 2012-02-25, 02:27 AM

Originally Posted by typhaon

There are probably a host of reasons.... all of them financial.

Like what?

Mechzz · 2012-02-25, 04:25 AM

ProSieben's biggest game is "S4 League". So big they decided to open a server in the US. This is how it seems to be working:

http://en.alaplaya.net/forum/general...--t493282.html

Basically none of the NA players want to play on "their" server because all the action is on the EU server.

Sound familiar SOE/ProSieben ?

Seriously, we all know there are technical issues when people remote from the server join in and play, but those issues are far outweighed by the extra fun and companionship that is created when different peoples come together.

Get your act together and give us full access to any of the servers.

If you do that we Europeans will pay inflated European prices to play the same game that the US has because the FUN outweighs the techie stuff.

If you don't do it the games (not just PS2) will die quicker because you will lose the critical mass needed for games like these where the players ARE the story.

Oh, and pay-to-win will kill the games too. $70 monocles will not, but game winning weapons/add-ons will. Surely.