Free to download? - Page 6

Xyntech · 2011-12-25, 07:38 AM

Originally Posted by SKYeXile

PS2 cant compete as a B2P game, it needs ongoing income to support its servers. it however cant operate successfully as a P2P game, people(FPS players), soes target audience for PS2) dont get that that it costs money to run servers. F2P is really the only option for PS2...dont even get started on B2P with a cash shop...SOE and everybody else have proved that its more profitable to just go completely F2P.

You can bet SOE are going to be allover hacking and it effecting planetside, its been a thorn in their side for like 6 months or something now.

You cant compare star wars and PS2, they're 2 totally different games with 2 different target audiences, P2P has been tried with planetside, it does not work, people want something more for their $15 a month then fighting the same people over the same 5 base designs than planetside offers.

as for the bold...??? are you high, every time a game goes f2p its population explodes, SOE had to open up heaps more servers for DCUO online when it went F2P, as did every other game that wasnt run by asswipes. Free realms had over 1m players at its release, its budget is a a mear drop in the sea to the amount of money EA has thrown at SWTOR. but let me get this right...what you're saying is basicly people would rather pay to have biowares cock jammed down their throat all while EA complete the Eiffel tower with a rear entrance? you gotta be high son...i would give that shit a taste if it was free, but im seriously not paying to be double teamed by those poo pushers.

also if it was free to play....everybody in australia would be playing it...that would make-up your 300k...cant play it with no download link and no official release bro.

can we seriously start screening these people before they signup...really?

and wtf are you people going on about? free to download games?

its either buy to play (B2P) or its free to play(F2P) f2p = you download and play it for free...there is no fucking fee to download it...or it would not be free to play. WTF, retards.

SGTMad...if you're reading this, please hit me for wasting my time arguing with the mouth breathers.

Can I take a swing at you if he doesn't show up?

Pretty much sums up the discussion though.

The most important part of this whole thing is that this is a business decision by SOE. Good or bad, we're going to have to make the best of it, because they certainly aren't going to change their minds. So if you are absolutely positive that this will ruin the game, give up all hope now and look elsewhere, because this is the business model they will use. Maybe check back in once the game launches and see if it's as bad as you thought or not. On the other hand, if you think there is any sliver of a hope that the game won't be a disaster with F2P, stop worrying about it and focus on the stuff that actually may get changed.

I think there is a lot more than a sliver of hope, so I'm not worrying about F2P at all. If it ruins the game, I'll be pissed, but I'm not going to lose any sleep over it until the game goes public release. There are a lot of more relevant topics at hand. I'm not the biggest fan of any kind of doomsday mentalities, but at least talking doomsday about something like solo driven MBT's is a discussion that could actually have a real, and potentially valuable, impact on the game.

Crator · 2011-12-25, 09:11 AM

Originally Posted by SKYeXile

and wtf are you people going on about? free to download games?

its either buy to play (B2P) or its free to play(F2P) f2p = you download and play it for free...there is no fucking fee to download it...or it would not be free to play. WTF, retards.

SGTMad...if you're reading this, please hit me for wasting my time arguing with the mouth breathers.

There's no reason not to discuss the topic. At least this one is civil. There used to be hardcore flaming going on over this topic a couple years ago...

SgtMAD · 2011-12-25, 10:02 AM

LOL Sky,I hear ya,I start reading these threads and get fired up,start composing this scathing reply and then remember that 99% of the ppl posting here never played the same game that we did for 8 years.

I read the crazy misconceptions coming from ppl that don't think squads matter or that leadership is needed,that BFRs should still be in the game,shit there is so much of it that I can't recall it all.

you are basically talking to zerg here and you and i know what kind of results that will get ya.

consider yourself slapped,no call it bitch slapped(I heard you FC guys like that better

)

Rumblepit · 2011-12-25, 02:19 PM

Originally Posted by SKYeXile

PS2 cant compete as a B2P game, it needs ongoing income to support its servers. it however cant operate successfully as a P2P game, people(FPS players), soes target audience for PS2) dont get that that it costs money to run servers. F2P is really the only option for PS2...dont even get started on B2P with a cash shop...SOE and everybody else have proved that its more profitable to just go completely F2P.

You can bet SOE are going to be allover hacking and it effecting planetside, its been a thorn in their side for like 6 months or something now.

You cant compare star wars and PS2, they're 2 totally different games with 2 different target audiences, P2P has been tried with planetside, it does not work, people want something more for their $15 a month then fighting the same people over the same 5 base designs than planetside offers.

as for the bold...??? are you high, every time a game goes f2p its population explodes, SOE had to open up heaps more servers for DCUO online when it went F2P, as did every other game that wasnt run by asswipes. Free realms had over 1m players at its release, its budget is a a mear drop in the sea to the amount of money EA has thrown at SWTOR. but let me get this right...what you're saying is basicly people would rather pay to have biowares cock jammed down their throat all while EA complete the Eiffel tower with a rear entrance? you gotta be high son...i would give that shit a taste if it was free, but im seriously not paying to be double teamed by those poo pushers.

also if it was free to play....everybody in australia would be playing it...that would make-up your 300k...cant play it with no download link and no official release bro.

can we seriously start screening these people before they signup...really?

and wtf are you people going on about? free to download games?

its either buy to play (B2P) or its free to play(F2P) f2p = you download and play it for free...there is no fucking fee to download it...or it would not be free to play. WTF, retards.

SGTMad...if you're reading this, please hit me for wasting my time arguing with the mouth breathers.

lol boy im gonna pick you apart lol.... first and foremost you know just as much about this as everyone else in this thread. which is nothing.... this is all speculation, nothing has been confirmed..... we dont know if its free to download and free to play, or if its pay to download , and free to play. BOTH ARE F2P MODELS..................

you said its all about the money, well to you think if soe makes this game free to download they are going to hire the extra staff they will need to policy the servers???????? because if they make it free to download they are to get 50% more hackers then they would have if the game had a box price.

soe will be all over the hacking issues im sure...... but riddle me this.... can you name a game that was released as free to download, free to play,fps where the admins have got a handle on their hackers? if you can name one ill give you a xmas kiss on your browneye lol.

i know swtor is not a fps , its a mmorpg, the reason i compare the 2 is in this thread. so take your time that you dont wont to waste on us mouth breathers
read this thread and you will see why i compared the 2.

as for am i high ???? yes all the time. where i live its legal

cheers.
when a dying goes free to play they do pick up population, but at what cost?
its at the cost of the game quality. meaning 50% of the people you just picked up from f2p are hacking and they will drive away more players or make legit players mad enough to start hacking aswell. community crumbles, hackusation fly, admins are hated.... go read team fortress 2 forums to see what im talking about.

aslo in this thread it states , and this is fact,,, there a few f2p models.....
free to download and free to play, or pay to download and free to play. both are free to play models. 1 comes with 80% more hackers then the other...

if people were screened before posting i would have never seen your post, nore would i have been able to pick it apart. retards???? hmmm well that just shows us all how smart you really are.

Rumblepit · 2011-12-25, 02:27 PM

[QUOTE=HtSgtMAD;618570]LOL Sky,I hear ya,I start reading these threads and get fired up,start composing this scathing reply and then remember that 99% of the ppl posting here never played the same game that we did for 8 years.

I read the crazy misconceptions coming from ppl that don't think squads matter or that leadership is needed,that BFRs should still be in the game,shit there is so much of it that I can't recall it all.

you are basically talking to zerg here and you and i know what kind of results that will get ya.

consider yourself slapped,no call it bitch slapped(I heard you FC guys like that better

)[/QUOTE

in the past 8 years have you ever played a f2d f2p fps game? or just planetside?if you did you would understand the concern.

in fact if anyone wants to see the difference between the 2 f2p models please just pm me. i have a war rock account,which is f2d and f2p and i have a brink account which is p2d and f2p. ill give you all my info just login and play.

Coreldan · 2011-12-25, 02:32 PM

It is not free to play if it costs to play. It is as simple as that.

That is like argueing that apple is orange.

Rumblepit · 2011-12-25, 02:44 PM

Originally Posted by Coreldan

It is not free to play if it costs to play. It is as simple as that.

That is like argueing that apple is orange.

brink is a free to play game i had to buy off steam. there are a few free to play models lol.
it comes down to not paying a sub, you dont pay a sub then its free to play, sometime they sell the games sometimes they dont , but you will never have to sub, hints free to play

Coreldan · 2011-12-25, 02:47 PM

Then the game wasn't free to play if you had to pay to play.

It really is that simple. You have good points, but you do realize that your whole argument is a huge logical fallacy?

It is not free if it costs

That is a whole different payment model. If Brink was free to play, why don't they advertise it as such? Cos it isn't a free2play game and to claim it is would be false marketing.

It really has nothing to do with a sub. A free to play game has no initial cost whatsoever.

I'm done argueing about this, if you can't see how stupid it is to claim that a game that you have to pay for is free-to-play, there really is no point in carrying on for me.

Rumblepit · 2011-12-25, 02:52 PM

Originally Posted by Coreldan

Then the game wasn't free to play if you had to pay to play.

It really is that simple. You have good points, but you do realize that your whole argument is a huge logical fallacy?

It is not free if it costs

That is a whole different payment model. If Brink was free to play, why don't they advertise it as such? Cos it isn't a free2play game and to claim it is would be false marketing.

ok so all these games online that say they are free to play, but you have to buy the game. are not free to play models?

you should tell them that...... its a f2p model ......

Crator · 2011-12-25, 02:55 PM

It is true, by definition that Free-to-Play gives the option to play the game without paying any money. SOE does this with DCUO but also offers a Freemium model alongside it. I'm not certain if SOE is going to use a hybrid model like this for PS2 but guessing they will.

Coreldan · 2011-12-25, 02:56 PM

I personally havn't ran into a single game that claims to be f2p but requires you to buy it. I don't try that many new games, though, but that is still unheard of for me. And to me, that is totally false marketing if such games exist. That is an all-out lie.

But perhaps we get back on topic, the topic itself is interesting, these semantics arn't.

I'd guess the payment model will be much like DCUO, perhaps just even better cos PS2 will be directly be build upon F2P model. I'd guess tiered "premiums" and cash shop.

Rumblepit · 2011-12-25, 03:05 PM

Originally Posted by Crator

It is true, by definition that Free-to-Play gives the option to play the game without paying any money. SOE does this with DCUO but also offers a Freemium model alongside it. I'm not certain if SOE is going to use a hybrid model like this for PS2 but guessing they will.

i was looking into the f2p hybrid model, and i could see them going this direction.

acosmo · 2011-12-25, 03:37 PM

how does LoL work? thats how ps2 will most probably work.

Alaska · 2011-12-25, 03:49 PM

Quoted from a post on LOL's forum.

"The game itself is free, but players can spend either points earned through the game (IP) or points purchased with real money (Riot Points ? RP) to acquire new champions or new skins for their champions. While the new skins are merely an aesthetic, unlocking a new champion will allow you to play the game differently than before. This has created perhaps the perfect use of DLC, where players do not have to spend money to enjoy the game, however the option is available to purchase new champions (that you may prefer or wish to play) faster."

=]]

Coreldan · 2011-12-25, 04:32 PM

To take a more example, APB is a pretty good example of what we might see in PS2:

Game is F2P and has a cash shop. The game itself is known for its pretty much unrivaled customization in any action online game (Second Life beats that, sure, but isnt an action game

). The cash shop sells clothing items that can't be obtained through other means, these are merely aesthetic.

They also sell weapons that are not baseline more powerful than their "free" counterparts. They are often slightly different in mechanics or looks. For example, the games "free" submachine gun is basically a MP5 kurz. In the cash shop you can buy the same weapon, but it has a stock, scope and a silencer on it. It looks badass which already makes many people buy it. The silencer in it has a few benefits in-game (mainly that its silent lol), but you cant modify the cash shop weapons, so the free submachine gun can be modded to kill faster than this cash shop version. Other examples are a sniper you can sprint with and shoot out of a car window (the baseline sniper can't do this), but it does considerably less damage. Overall the weapons have incentives to buy unless you are a cheapskate, but they arnt pay2win.

They also sell "3-slot weapons", which are the same as you can obtain in game, but buying them basically allows you to skip dozens to hundreds of hours of "grind". The normal weapons in game are leased for 10 days, so they also sell the "special cash shop weapons" as well as the baseline weapons for permanent ownership for real money.

They also sell body kits for cars as the car customization is also pretty big thing in the game. They also sometimes sell pre-made and pre-slotted cars, but these arnt that big of a sales article.

Then, theres also a premium that will give you more money rewards and more standing (see it as experience), it also lets you pass queues if the servers are full, it halves the cooldown on activatable character mods (only very few and dont have a direct combat advantage, almost a vanity), you are allowed to customize your character and car much further than a free user. Active premium gets you a 20% discount on all cash shop items as well.

They also sell extra character slots. Every account gets 2 by default.

There are always people who will blame their loss on the cash shop weapons, but the truth is they would've had their ass handed to them by the same player with the baseline weapons all the same.

APBs cash shop has quite steep prices on many of the things, but Gamersfirst keeps saying they have the statistics to show it creates more revenue to use those prices than use the logic of "sell for cheap, get way more customers" so I guess I will just believe em, what do I have on their statistics? They are in it for the money, I'm sure they do what creates the most revenue.

For PS2 I expect much the same, but PS2 has much less focus on customization and I'm fairly sure we will see tiered premiums which is a nice thing. Also since PS2 will actually have "physically" customizable weapons, I'm sure some of those tacticool things will be sold in the cash shop as well.