General Hawley's speech - Page 6

Incompetent · 2003-02-21, 06:04 PM

and remember, Iraqi newsources do not count as credible, since Saddam will torture them if he doesn't like what he hears.

SilentCacophony · 2003-02-21, 06:05 PM

Have you guys not gone to the link I posted? How can you look at that and still have respect for what your country has done? I'm only half way down and it makes me sick.

http://www.ummah.com/inewsletter/massacres/iraq/

You don't think the U.S. has sanctions on Iraq to keep them from getting food and medicine? I guess you're just not willing to take the stars and stripes blindfold you wear off.

"The father of 2-year-old Nemya grips her death certificate while talking to a doctor moments after she died
from meningitis in a quarantined room at the hospital. A 50-cent tube could have saved the youngster's life,
one doctor says. But the hospital has none. Impossible to obtain under the sanctions, another doctor says. "

"1994-95: Sanctions lead to hardship. Missiles were one half of a two-pronged assault on Iraq. The other was sanctions which, though intended to inspire the Iraqi people to overthrow Saddam, were by widely recognised
to be pushing the country to the brink of famine and, in the words of one Unicef report, producing the "most traumatised child population" the authors had ever encountered."

SilentCacophony · 2003-02-21, 06:06 PM

UNICEF has reported that
from 1990 to 1999, over 500,000 infants and babies have been killed by the U.S. led sanctions. Many of the young children die from easily curable diseases (giardiasis, disenterry, respiratory infections) but Iraq has not been allowed (because of U.S. objections) to import enough medicines to treat these diseases, nor has Iraq
been allowed to fully repair its water treatment system (intentionally bombed by the U.S. and its allies during
the Gulf War).

Soory, but I don't consider UNICEF to be under Saddam's regime.

Incompetent · 2003-02-21, 06:07 PM

Please please don't tell me you are stupid enough to believe that medicine would go where it should.

Zatrais · 2003-02-21, 06:08 PM

What kind of credibility does that webpage have? No one here has even heard of it cept you.

Annyways, you cannot sit there and blame the suffering on iraqi people on the US when theres a dictator controlling the country that forces the sanctions when he won't disarm peacefully.

Navaron · 2003-02-21, 06:12 PM

http://news.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/spl...man_rights.pdf

If that doesn't work, click here --> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/p...533897.stm#pdf

And scroll to the bottom to read the full thing.

I'm sure silent thinks the UK and amnesty international are biased sources - with their evil "facts'' and all.

SilentCacophony · 2003-02-21, 06:14 PM

lol, you people are so hypocritical. One second Navaron is claiming the U.S. is the number one supplier of food and medicine to Iraq, and now he's agreeing with me that they don't give them squat, but it's Saddam's fault they aren't getting anything.

One second your talking about how you want to help the people, and that that is why you want to oust Saddam, and then your claiming that you won't help them UNLESS you get him out first.

You try saying it's because he won't disarm, but the funny thing is, all this has been going on since 1990, during the first gulf war. It's nothing new. The embargo has caused the deaths of more people than the nuke at Hiroshima. You guys are SOOOO concerned for the people, and yet you know nothing of what is happening to them, but you do know that Saddam bought a new watch and how much it's worth, cause THAT'S what's important right. So he can know what time it is when you guys ride in to save Iraq? Sorry, but the U.S. is Iraq's real oppressors.

BLuE_ZeRO · 2003-02-21, 06:16 PM

Nav anyone ever tell you you're sexy when you're sarcastic?

Navaron · 2003-02-21, 06:17 PM

I love how we give oppurtunities, shitloads of money and medicine, and chance after chance, yet when this asshole decides he needs anothe palace or statue instead of helping his countrymen, it's the US's fault. Newsflash Einstein, we didn't fuck those kids up, HE DID.

Fact is you're brainwashed into thinking the US is this horrible force maligning the entire world. I guess that's hip these days. That and guilt for being successful.

SilentCacophony · 2003-02-21, 06:18 PM

Sure, give me 12 pages to read (24 since it's double-sided), you just want to slow my retorts, don't you? Good thing I don't mind reading.

Incompetent · 2003-02-21, 06:21 PM

Sorry, but the U.S. is Iraq's real oppressors.

yes we executed, what was it, 1/2, 2/3rds of theres ruling body in order to gain power

One second your talking about how you want to help the people, and that that is why you want to oust Saddam, and then your claiming that you won't help them UNLESS you get him out first.

more like can't

Unregistered · 2003-02-21, 06:22 PM

Originally posted by SilentCacophony
UNICEF has reported that
from 1990 to 1999, over 500,000 infants and babies have been killed by the U.S. led sanctions. Many of the young children die from easily curable diseases (giardiasis, disenterry, respiratory infections) but Iraq has not been allowed (because of U.S. objections) to import enough medicines to treat these diseases, nor has Iraq
been allowed to fully repair its water treatment system (intentionally bombed by the U.S. and its allies during
the Gulf War).

Soory, but I don't consider UNICEF to be under Saddam's regime.

Before I attack the irresponsibility of the UNICEF statement can you tell us where you live? Most of your posts bag on the U.S. like your some sort of Muslem from a Hamburg Masque.

I need that information to help qualify your responces, because it is aperent that the educational system in whatever country you call home is sadly lacking.

Now on to UNICEF......

UNICEF did state "the U.S. led sanctions", when the correct statement is "the UN sanctions" do you see how they twist the statement they made seems to make out the U.S. to be the bad guys when the sacntions are U.N. sactions Unanimously agreed to by the Security Council? Do you even know what those sanctions state?

Do you understand that the U.N. sanctions allow Iraq to trade Oil for food, and medicine but they do not? How is the U.S. to blame for U.N. sanctions? Please I emplore you to get an education.

More proof that the U.S. takes the blame no matter who is really at fualt.

SilentCacophony · 2003-02-21, 06:23 PM

Originally posted by {BOHICA}Navaron

I'm sure silent thinks the UK and amnesty international are biased sources - with their evil "facts'' and all.

What bodies?

http://www.digitaljournalist.org/issue0211/sloyan.html

But hey, I guess if it goes against navaron's arguments, he's not going to buy it.

Incompetent · 2003-02-21, 06:25 PM

ok, that is a little something i like to call a MILITARY ACTION, i.e., if your holding an AK and your shooting at me, your fair game

Unregistered · 2003-02-21, 06:27 PM

Originally posted by {BOHICA}Navaron
I love how we give oppurtunities, shitloads of money and medicine, and chance after chance, yet when this asshole decides he needs anothe palace or statue instead of helping his countrymen, it's the US's fault. Newsflash Einstein, we didn't fuck those kids up, HE DID.

Fact is you're brainwashed into thinking the US is this horrible force maligning the entire world. I guess that's hip these days. That and guilt for being successful.

No Nav, he doesn't think the U.S. is maligning the world, he asked why we don't go do anything about N. Korea, yet he makes no mention oif the millions that have died there durring the 50 years of Opressive UN sanctions.

He is what people like to refer to as a hypocrite. He wants to blame the U.S. for the deaths of people in one dictators country, but not in another.

Someone check his email and find out if it's "Saddam@IraqiBunker_PleaseGoMessWithKorea_Capitali stAmericanPigDog.com"