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Peacemaker · 2007-05-30, 12:52 AM

So? Think I give a damn? I dumped my fair share into that game and all I got was lag, retards, and a 4th job.

Baneblade · 2007-05-30, 01:52 AM

That's because you played it that way.

Peacemaker · 2007-05-30, 08:30 AM

To get the stuff you want, you had to play it that way -_- Either that or wait 3 months. Everything in that game was a money grind. It wouldnt have been so bad if inflation + T2 Market wasnt so messed up, but it was. If you wanted to fly a carrier but didnt have the money for it you have to grind endlessly for 2 weeks.
There is no magic way to not grind, unless you had a T2 BPO, or you made some really nice friends, and then the third option cheated.

Hamma · 2007-05-30, 10:02 AM

I could not stay involved with the game because it moved to slow, I am to impatient to wait 12 weeks to fly a pwnmobile.

Rbstr · 2007-05-30, 12:48 PM

Inflation isn't bad. Most t2 prices are falling. Most command cruisers cost less than HACs and are evilly effective. Minerals are incredibly cheap.
Cap charger 2's only cost 2-3mil now. AFs are mostly down below 10mil. T1 Rigs are down to the 10-20mil range.

You just want to play with the big toys, and those require either corp support or a big ass income. You don't want to put the effort into either. That's your problem. Also: There's no pwnmobile, you can't stand that, as you've got to win in every situation.

Hamma · 2007-05-30, 01:30 PM

I have no desire to train and grind for 12 months personally to do something fun.

The dynamics and open-ness of the game are awesome though, hopefully another game/company goes with something like it someday.

Hamma · 2007-05-30, 02:04 PM

Speaking of EVE it's in the new:

http://games.slashdot.org/games/07/05/30/0412241.shtml

Rbstr · 2007-05-30, 02:20 PM

Goonfleet AKA. Somethingawful, IMO is trying to fuck with shit.

Hamma: My post was aimed at Peace, I understand it's too slow for some people.

Infernus · 2007-05-31, 12:41 AM

Originally Posted by Hamma

Speaking of EVE it's in the new:

http://games.slashdot.org/games/07/05/30/0412241.shtml

DO NOT get me started on the goons.

I'll admit CCP hasn't handled its internal struggles as well as they could have. But now SA is fishing... all because the fucking dumbfuck goons got their asses handed to them.

Imagine, a noobswarm being beaten back by some of the easily most skilled players in the game. And thats not opinion about BoB on my part, thats fact - most of them have been playing since launch.

Mind you, BoB members didn't help the situation a whole lot, and if i were CCP I'd probably be stringing Dianabolic up right now - esspecially if they're such great "friends'

Peacemaker · 2007-05-31, 01:10 AM

Rob, Ive got no problem working with people to get a big ship. I did, I got alot of help from people to get my carrier. I put in plenty of work to earn that carrier though. Ask electro, he knows. Ive put tons and tons of time into the game, and when it came down to it, the thing was a POS because it was minmitar.

I also put a huge effort into my corp. I worked to get the EOG navy going, then, we got fucked by our CEO. 10B in blueprints, gone. Once again, electro knows. I probably dumped half the money I had into the corp at that time, and when it came around it just vanished.

My issue was with T2 inflation, people were assholes, and flawed game mechanics.

So, please dont patronise me. I was not expecting a solo pwn mobile like you think I did. I was expecting something worth the half year of training and month of money grinding.

Baneblade · 2007-05-31, 01:06 PM

My main issue with Eve atm is there is no real Capital gunship. Dreads are Siege Engines.

I want a Capital Hurricane.

OneManArmy · 2007-05-31, 01:51 PM

I want a party barge full of space hookers.

Kam · 2007-05-31, 02:45 PM

Currently there are many people displaced by this scandal, which CCP is never going to resolve. They never answered the big questions in their "investigation." People are quitting, and many of those left behind no longer want to go to 0.0 because there is no incentive now that a direct link between CCP and BoB was found. And they never did say anything about the rigged T2 lottery, which did not help things at all. IMHO they can take a lesson from Blizzard on the DEV-player base relationship.... there isn't one. It all seems pointless when a dev can just rig it all.

Rbstr · 2007-05-31, 06:02 PM

You need a tinfoil hat. The T2 lottery is not and has not been "rigged."

Bob is not getting active help from the devs. To think that the original incident was any more than a lone guy being retarded is, well, retarded.

This goons fabricated "scandal" is resolved as it needs to be. They're angry because they aren't winning, so now they're trying to blame someone else for their failings.
Honestly, the people that are quiting can leave, if they aren't rational enough to look at the evidence objectively, it betters the rest of the player base.

Infernus · 2007-05-31, 06:09 PM

Originally Posted by Kam

Currently there are many people displaced by this scandal, which CCP is never going to resolve. They never answered the big questions in their "investigation." People are quitting, and many of those left behind no longer want to go to 0.0 because there is no incentive now that a direct link between CCP and BoB was found. And they never did say anything about the rigged T2 lottery, which did not help things at all. IMHO they can take a lesson from Blizzard on the DEV-player base relationship.... there isn't one. It all seems pointless when a dev can just rig it all.

Yeah... but that won't work.

You see EVE has also been a rather tight-knit community. Half the people in BoB have been playing for 5 years, relationships tend to form. More then that, there were OOG relationships before the game even formed.

GMs that did "rig it all" were swiftly taken care of. Furthermore theres no way to prove or disprove that BoB got help about certain ISD agents through legitimate means.

A harrasment petition was submitted by a BoB member about an ISD agent (who had been reported before) and it was dealt with. Average turn around on those types of petitions has always been extremely low. Theres no way for CCP to prove or disprove that it was handled in an expedient manner because someone from BoB made a phone call or not.

Another ISD member was fired because he broke the NDA, and gave rather shitty details on the matter to blow a small thing totally out of proportion - CCP has prime fiction, which the player base can affect, but if CCP wants it to go one way they have on multiple occasions stacked everything they had against the player base. They've come clean about that before - for example the events surrounding the introduction of T2 items in the first place.

As for people leaving 0.0 ... The only people who seem to be dropping out of 0.0 are goons, tbh, not many others. My heart bleeds for them, really it does. (no really.)

The only issue I have with the whole situation is CCPs handling of it. They've been clinging tooth and nail to the NDA, and IMHO they should have just come out and said "this is what happened, this is why it was wrong, this is how it's been fixed". Mind you, as I mention, certain members of BoB certainly haven't made the situation easier for CCP at all. But your suggestion of having no dev-player relationship won't work.

EVE wouldn't be half the game it is if the dev's didn't play it. A large number of things in it are player suggestions that the devs took on after their own IG experience. They're too firmly rooted in the game world for their to be no interaction. And in a large number of cases it would lead to bigger issues. I mean really... "Sorry Bob, we've been friends for a while, and you can't play EVE because of it"... give me a break.

AND before you make up some redonkulous story about BoB and the advantages CCP gives it. I'd like to remind you that BoB has lost before, on multiple occasions.

I'd even go so far as to say that CCP should have an outside firm come in to be a 3rd party. Any legal firm would do, and CCP would win out in the end.

As an aside: If CCP is setting up goonfleet, goonswarm, noobfleet, or goonfuck, whatever its called to take a fall. I wholeheartedly support them, and wish other MMO dev's would take the same stance. Long live hilmar the great.

EDIT: I suppose rob was a lot more concise and a lot less bias (The major parts of what I said aren't bias).