First Person, Third Person, your opinion?

[Manitou]

Originally Posted by Skraeling

Bugged for me.

Change mine to all first person

Done.

[klu]

why does this poll get no love? im more interested in this than the headshot debate (please vote)

[DviddLeff]

Agreed, getting third person out of the game for infantry is more important than the head shot issue.

[Hamma]

Voted!

[Sifer2]

It makes me a sad panda most people don't want first person vehicles according to poll. I still believe it adds more skill to driving/piloting. Third person is so arcade to me. An no I wont just "use first person then" since i'm not going to gimp myself for no reason.

If it was first person only it would also justify the development of really cool looking cockpits. With actual readable gauges an seeing your hand operate the joystick. Though they wont do that for an optional view no one will hardly use.

[etheral]

I would be in favour of 1st person across the board if, and only if, a player could look left or right 90 degrees, and possibly a rear view. Immersion is great and all, but in the middle of a battle good spatial awareness is more important

[PsychoXR-20]

If they removed 3rd person for infantry, Audio Amp might become a useful implant. (it's been a long time since I've played so maybe it better now, but it was pretty worthless back in the day)

But in all seriousness, I'm not sure if I'd want it removed or not, it's nice to have in some situations (running long distances outside) but is pretty cheap, and borderline exploitative in others (pillar camping in a tower).

Perhaps they could dynamically enable/disable the ability to use third person. If you are outside than you can use it, indoors you can't.

[Baneblade]

Originally Posted by etheral

I would be in favour of 1st person across the board if, and only if, a player could look left or right 90 degrees, and possibly a rear view. Immersion is great and all, but in the middle of a battle good spatial awareness is more important

Maybe I'm just being noobish... but your mouse does a great job of showing you what is going on around you.

[etheral]

Originally Posted by Sobekeus

Maybe I'm just being noobish... but your mouse does a great job of showing you what is going on around you.

hmm, yeah I suppose I should clarify that statement . I meant vehicle 1st person view

[Sifer2]

Originally Posted by etheral

I would be in favour of 1st person across the board if, and only if, a player could look left or right 90 degrees, and possibly a rear view. Immersion is great and all, but in the middle of a battle good spatial awareness is more important

Pretty sure it was able to be done in Battlefield. At least I remember driving a Jeep an being able to mouse left or right to look without turning the vehicle. And it had a rear view too. So its totally doable but I doubt they will make vehicles FP only since clearly most people can't handle it. Hell I've thought about it an really most people can't drive/pilot worth a crap in games as it is even with the help of the arcade camera view. Good pilots would be a rare breed for sure.

[Hamma]

Agreed if it was 1st person only in vehicles there needs to be a method to look around you.

[Baneblade]

You can do it already in the non floaty vehicles or aircraft. Some vehicles should have limited fields of view for the driver.

[Evilmp]

Originally Posted by Sobekeus

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It reduces the value of good tactics by promoting generic and predictable results through minimal effort, thought, or planning.
I don't think this actually means anything.
It means tactic A, B and C are never used because tactic D is the best. No choice, if you don't 3rd person your an idiot.
Exactly, all third person does is pigeon hole several different ways of doing something into one effective way, which adds predictability and lessens fun and variety. A 3p exploiter will almost always do exactly the same thing every time and will still be far more effective. Nothing should be that much of a boost to any single player.
agreement is had. 3rd person has no place in a first person game unless you are riding around in a vehicle.

It gives an overpowered ability to see someone who cannot see you despite there being no suitable cover for that.
It gives defenders a slight edge, which I believe is intended.
Its not the defender its whoever is behind the wall, it was mostly used by tower droppers as the 'real' defenders had a line of MAXs.
Right, defenders typically have little motive to do it unless they are defending specifically to 3p camp.
behind that line of MAXes watching for tower droppers, your third person defenders were always vigilant. the best defense for a third person camper was, in my opinion, a thumper.

There is no giant hovering camera giving away your being in third person.
Or is there?
If there is no one can see it so its not giving away their position...?
The only way to know someone is camping in 3p definitively is to have them move out to kill someone. Most players just assume there is one around every corner. Not exactly the most game enhancing kind of paranoia... and still it does them no good to 'know there is someone there'.
the thing is, there wasn't always someone there. and when a game has a continual "paranoia" as you say, it makes for a good scare when it actually happens. planetside isn't a horror game last i checked, and this never should have happened.

however, i regret nothing.

There is no effective counter to a third person camper.
Plasma / frag grenades work quite nicely
That might work well against idiots like me but all the good players have said that it dosn't work, I have no reason not to belive them.


Anyway the gameplay shouldn't be "corner = AOE SPAM!!!!". Thats really not what we want is it?
Grenades work for the 3p camper. If you are humping around with a grenade in your hand, they know you don't likely stand a chance in killing them. Typically they will even let you hit them with it and just warp out to kill you anyway.
as said before - you have a pretty good chance if you run in with a thumper. it's just like fishing. go third person yourself and hit them with frags. if they attack you just have to lead them up the stairs while they bath in your exploding balls of doom.

There is absolutely no reason to keep third person camera in for an FPS.

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[Bruttal]

I don't think we need to remove thrid person at all, just don't let us use it in doors.

[Effective]

If you remove third person, remove/change boomers. Cloakers will have a complete field day if TP is removed from PS.