Will you Upgrade for PS2?

[Goku]

Originally Posted by Zulthus

PhysX runs fine for me, I don't see what your problem is. The Metro 2033 review isn't really accurate anyhow since I can get 30 FPS easy on high settings on my single card, not overclocked. Reviews are biased, facts are not. I'm just saying since I owned a GTX460 before I owned my AMD (It burned out within months) and IMO the AMD outperforms it by miles.

You are the biased one. Nothing you say is fact.

30 FPS? Haha, I do not find that playable at all. I want at least 40 FPS on single player games and 60+ on multiplayer games. I do not want any slow downs for being the reason I get killed playing an FPS.

Did you even check those reviews out I showed? AMD is not ahead by miles regarding Nvidia either. AMD has the dual GPU card crown while Nvidia has a single GPU one. For the most part each has a card that lines up directly with another's at around the same performance for the same price. I don't know why you think AMD is outdoing Nvidia 5 fold when to comes to performance.

[Zulthus]

Alright, I'm gonna repeat myself once more.

I have owned both a Nvidia GTX460, which burned out in months.

I currently own a ATi Radeon HD5870, which has lasted me more than a year.

The ATI card outperforms my old Nvidia card in every aspect. Framerate and all.

PhysX still runs fine on my CPU.

That is why IN MY OPINION I believe that ATI is better that Nvidia.

I am not participating in a video card fanboy war, so I have stated my opinion and if you don't like it, leave it.

Thanks

[Goku]

I am not a fan boy as I haven't had a Nvidia card, since my 8800 in 2008. You said it ATI performs miles ahead of Nvidia, which is not true. Its a known fact PhysX runs badly on CPUs you could even tell it by the expression on the Nvidia's Rep at Fan Faire. Every card has a chance to die off regardless of maker, that is why there is at least a 2 year warranty on all cards. Only fact you said was the 5870 being a stronger card then the GTX 460 and its nowhere close to being double. If you are done with this then so am I. I just do not like it when people say "facts" and only confuse others who are not knowledgeable on the subject.

[BorisBlade]

Originally Posted by Bags

No idea then. As long as PS2 doesn't as bad as PS1 (I GET SINGLE DIGIT FPS ON A 4 YEAR OLD COMPUTER) it should be fine.

Really? i was gettin like 50 fps on my 6 year old system before i upgraded.

My new one is an oc'd i7-2600k and an oc'd gtx 580, wont be any probs runnin it. Plus the system is set up with adding another 580 in SLI if i want. But at the $500+ price each at the time, i figured i could let em come down in price a bit first.

I laugh at some of you sayin you need upgrades when you run these systems that are still better than literally 95% of gamers. Seriously, dual 470's and you think you need an upgrade? you beat my 580 with that and there is nothin I cant run at max settings. And no, 16gb is not even remotely standard, 8 isnt even standard unless they are sellin a game system. You guys would be surprised at the avg gamer's rig and how low it is compared to what most of us have.

I bought my rig in March, 4gb was default avg for the systems, had to hunt to find the 2100mhz 8gb sticks.

I would def go with 8gb standard now and it should be plenty for PS2. Those 5 year old systems are prob limited to 2-4gb's so my guess is 3gb minimum reqs, with 6 to run in the massive fights smoothly with it all cranked up. And honestly that could be high, the large fight size is all that makes me think you might even need that much. Crysis 2/BF3 require only 2gb with 3-4 recomended. PS1 required a measly 256mb and ran well once you got 768mb or up (despite the 512 recommended listing it still stuttered til 768).

[Vancha]

Originally Posted by Zulthus

I have owned both a Nvidia GTX460, which burned out in months.

I currently own a ATi Radeon HD5870, which has lasted me more than a year.

Have you owned more than a single Nvidia card? If not, the judgement seems slightly unfair.

Personally I've always liked ATI more than Nvidia, but they seem to be pretty close now. Typically ATI is better value, draws less power and operates quieter, while Nvidia is less value, less efficient and noisier, but more powerful...especially with certain things like PhysX or certain graphical settings (I believe Nvidia was far better with anti-aliasing or anisotropic filtering for a while?). Though I seem to recall the latest generation of Nvidia cards saw some improvements in power draw and noise.

[Zulthus]

Originally Posted by Vancha

Have you owned more than a single Nvidia card? If not, the judgement seems slightly unfair.

Personally I've always liked ATI more than Nvidia, but they seem to be pretty close now. Typically ATI is better value, draws less power and operates quieter, while Nvidia is less value, less efficient and noisier, but more powerful...especially with certain things like PhysX or certain graphical settings (I believe Nvidia was far better with anti-aliasing or anisotropic filtering for a while?). Though I seem to recall the latest generation of Nvidia cards saw some improvements in power draw and noise.

Honestly I haven't, which is why I was making an opinion based on what I've seen so far. All I've been able to draw from it is my ATI card outperformed my Nvidia. And yes, Nvidia used to be the king of video cards, but they've been slacking lately.

[Goku]

The 8800 series kicked ATI's ass as the 2900 series was god awful. Image quality belonged to Nvidia at the point as well especially, since the 2900 XT performance went down hill with AA enabled. Thankfully though everything was good with the intro of the 4800 series and both have been fairly tied, since then.

To be honest I wouldn't of been shocked if ATI went under if AMD had not bought them when the 2900 series came in. Literally no one was buying the cards. AMD while an underdog in the CPU department still has bigger pockets then ATI ever did. Imagine just having one good graphics manufacture :/.

[Rbstr]

Don't forget the Femi chips stomp all over ATI in tessellation, one of the bigger DX11 features (and something ATI has implemented for a long time...it's weird they're lose in such a big way).

But that's just pocking the fanboy beehive.
You can't really go terribly wrong either way.
I simply tend to buy nVidia for the CUDA stuff, even if the ATI card give a slightly higher frame rate....if it's over 60 I don't particularly care anyway.

[Zulthus]

I don't know, I can get along just fine with 30 FPS while alot of people complain that's way too slow. I don't honestly see the difference, gameplay is smooth enough for me.

[Goku]

Fermi had a dedicated tessellation unit built in, so the GPU had a major advantage over the 5800 series in that regards. Though AMD fixed this on the 6800 and 6900 series. The 6800 series perform better tessellation despite having less SP and the 6900s are almost as good as Nvidia these days thankfully.

One thing I do wonder is if the PhysX is going to be under a lot more stress. It was more controlled in single player games, but with a game with several hundred people thats a lot of possible animations. This will be interesting.

[SurgeonX]

Just got myself an SSD and a 6990, so I'm hoping that's me sorted for a good few years yet.
Looking forward to PS2 using Eyefinity though

[Goku]

Originally Posted by SurgeonX

Just got myself an SSD and a 6990, so I'm hoping that's me sorted for a good few years yet.
Looking forward to PS2 using Eyefinity though

Hopefully you can get the UI centered on the center screen. Current PS has it stretched out over 3 monitors.

[SavageB]

Originally Posted by Bags

Why buy ATI when Sony is clearly in bed with nvidia this time around?



Only thing I'd be interested in is the RAM but it's already dirt cheap brand new on newegg.

Why 12+ GB of RAM? Just 'cuz?

Originally Posted by Goku

Hopefully you can get the UI centered on the center screen. Current PS has it stretched out over 3 monitors.

That would be disgusting to look at lol....over three monitors is a bit much, but I'm sure we will see a diff in UI and settings in this new PS

[Vancha]

Originally Posted by SurgeonX

Just got myself an SSD and a 6990, so I'm hoping that's me sorted for a good few years yet.
Looking forward to PS2 using Eyefinity though

The power/noise/temps on double-GPU cards usually make me cringe.

Is it me, or are there not really any amazing GPU coolers around right now? I remember back in the 4890 days every review lauded Sapphire's Vapor/Toxic cooler as the best, but these days they all seem to be pretty average.

[Goku]

Originally Posted by Vancha

The power/noise/temps on double-GPU cards usually make me cringe.

Is it me, or are there not really any amazing GPU coolers around right now? I remember back in the 4890 days every review lauded Sapphire's Vapor/Toxic cooler as the best, but these days they all seem to be pretty average.

The HAWK (MSI) cooler seems to be good along with the Direct II (ASUS double slot not triple). Always see reviewers giving them praise. If you want aftermarket the Shaman is really good from Thermalright though it takes like 3-4 extra slots lol.