Payment schemes - Page 6

Sirisian · 2011-09-06, 01:18 PM

Originally Posted by Crator

Sure, that's why BF2, BF2142, etc. are totally F2P and failed b/c they are full of hackers.

Kind of an odd comparison. Those games failed because they were boring after a week of playing. Pointing out examples that failed for other reasons doesn't mean it'll make them work in the long run as F2P.

Crator · 2011-09-06, 01:47 PM

Sorry, I was being facetious. I don't think the BF games failed.

Sirisian · 2011-09-06, 01:59 PM

Originally Posted by Crator

Sorry, I was being facetious. I don't think the BF games failed.

Lokster · 2011-09-06, 03:30 PM

Originally Posted by Crator

Sure, that's why BF2, BF2142, etc. are totally F2P and failed b/c they are full of hackers.

They aren't "totally" F2P. All those games cost about $50 for the initial purchase. If you actually read my post you would see I would be in favor of "F2P" if it had an initial box purchase of $50-60.

I would just be more in favor of a subscription based pricing model, as I'm not a huge fan of micro-purchases.

Thanks for not actually reading posts before you reply though.

BTW, "F2P" games are titles such as, TF2, APB:R, Warrock, etc; A game which costs a player NOTHING, hence "free" (they usually support micro purchases too). I realize those are all 1st and 3rd person shooters. That's the only important genre to look at, as there are not many hackers/exploiters in rpgmmo's that actually effect gameplay.

Play a game like RPB:R for five minutes and you can see why F2P for a shooter is a horrible idea. Hackers are more popular than legit players; which is my only concearn with F2P.

Crator · 2011-09-06, 03:31 PM

Stop nit-picking. I was referring to subscription F2P. That's the core of the issue really anyways. Not initial purchases. The issue is people aren't used to/willing to pay for subscription based models for FPS games.

Lokster · 2011-09-06, 03:45 PM

Originally Posted by Crator

Stop nit-picking. I was referring to subscription F2P. That's the core of the issue really anyways. Not initial purchases. The issue is people aren't used to/willing to pay for subscription based models for FPS games.

Depends on who's issue you are referring to. If people would simply stop referring to the preferred model as "F2P", it would stop confusing people like myself. A $50 game IS NOT and NEVER WILL BE considered "F2P" as it's not free. Pretty straight forward.

Again, my support goes to either:

(1) No subscription costs after initial purchases. This means micro purchases will be supported.
(2) *preferred* Monthly subscription. As I am not a big fan of micro purchases and "pay 2 win" weapons/tools/etc.

Crator · 2011-09-06, 03:56 PM

I agree to this:

1) Trial - Allow someone to try the game out for free, no purchase necessary. The trial is time based and will only allow you to play for a week or so... Same restrictions that apply to F2P players apply to trials players too. After trial is up you must purchase the game at the retails price.

2) Subscription:

a) Free-to-Play: Limit BR (no CR allowed), Limit certain certs/weapons from being used but make sure you show the player in-game that they must purchase a paid sub. plan to use this stuff.

b) Monthly subscription: Player can do anything/everything they want in-game.

3) Micro-Transactions: Not sure what to say about these since there's no enough info. They did say they would be doing stuff with this though. I would also assume micros would be for everyone, not just non-paying subs.

TerminatorUK · 2011-09-08, 03:46 AM

I think a retail box/key should be needed initially (to reduce hacker potential), however on-going support could be:

1) No (or very small) sub + cash shop + in-game advertising (not a massive fan of it)

2) Normal sub but with the option to purchase as non-contigous 'hours'. The hours could be used at any time and only count down whilst actually playing the game. This would help less frequent players still to sub.

Crator · 2011-09-08, 11:43 AM

Wish people would drop the hacker issues. They have an anti-hacker program incorporated into PS2 now.

Accuser · 2011-09-08, 04:57 PM

Originally Posted by Crator

Wish people would drop the hacker issues. They have an anti-hacker program incorporated into PS2 now.

So after 24 hours of successfully hacking on my F2P account I get caught and my account closed. I start a new account and get right back at it. Hacking takes a HUGE toll on F2P because there is no real harm in being caught.

If they do go with the League of Legends F2P/Freemium model, we can expect either some intense anti-hacking measures or another very low-class F2P shooter that happens to have a lot of players.

Crator · 2011-09-08, 05:16 PM

TBH, I don't know much about anti-hacking programs and what they are capable of/what can be exploited. I'd like to know more though. I'd also like to know more info on what SOE is using so we don't keep throwing mud around the forums about it.

NewSith · 2011-09-08, 05:53 PM

Buy 2 play for the win. 30 or even 40 bucks per ban would do very nicely against hackers.

Crator · 2011-09-08, 05:57 PM

Initial buy-2-play with free-2-play subscription. Ban the serial code given after buying the game, not the player. Good idea actually.

duck · 2011-09-08, 06:46 PM

Quick question regarding F2p scheme. Does this mean you have to purchase the game, and there is no subscription fee? Or is it 100% free, you dont need to spend a cent on it to play it?
I smell an invasion of hackers, spammers, and griefers...

NewSith · 2011-09-08, 06:57 PM

Originally Posted by duck

Quick question regarding F2p scheme. Does this mean you have to purchase the game, and there is no subscription fee? Or is it 100% free, you dont need to spend a cent on it to play it?
I smell an invasion of hackers, spammers, and griefers...

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