Bunny hopping - Page 6

GreatMazinkaise · 2012-06-20, 01:45 AM

Well this is one thing I don't see changing from the old game... you simply didn't bunny hop because if you did you'd end up slowing to a crawl due to stamina loss.

BillyBob · 2012-06-20, 04:49 AM

Originally Posted by RSphil

iv played alot of FPS's and tested alot.

one gripe i have with alot of them are players who bunny hop to kill you.
is this a problem in ps1 and will be a problem in ps2?

battlefield combated this by stopping you shooting while jumping and you dont see it in bf3 as you dont jump that high cus you actually physically jump over obstacles now so people dont bother.

As others have already stated: No, this is (thankfully) not an issue in PS1 due to the stamina bar mechanic...and I seriously doubt you will be able to bunny hop in PS2.

Bunny hopping has become more and more rare and exotic to the point where I think it's generally not considered to have any place in a serious modern FPS game, unless it's an intricate part of a very specific playstyle that game is trying to provide.

Regarding disabling being able to shoot while jumping, I'd say it depends.

Personally think the stamina bar mechanic would suffice when it comes to preventing bunny hopping...as long as you don't have any precision to speak of when firing while jumping.

Last thing I want to see is people jumping into rooms or around corners and being able to pull off headshots from mid-air on a regular basis.

/BB

SKYeXile · 2012-06-20, 04:51 AM

yea have it eat at your sprint bar and fuck your COF.

DarkApothecary · 2012-06-20, 05:29 AM

There should be bunny hopping, but if not there HAS to be shooting while jumping, if you can't kill someone jumping around like a retard shooting at you, then you deserve to die

Otleaz · 2012-06-20, 06:09 AM

So if your aim is worthless while jumping, what about when you are jump jetting or jumping off of a building? I think it is a bad idea to gimp awesome moments like that to fix a problem that has many different resolutions.

I think aiming should be only slightly affected by jumping, and bunny hopping limited by something else. I understand that making you move slower while jumping might make movement feel clunky, so what about making it so that when you jump, your weapon gets lowered for about half a second. Only regular jumps would be affected like this, and LA could sacrifice their gun for a split second in return for a more powerful launch.

Toppopia · 2012-06-20, 06:11 AM

Originally Posted by Otleaz

So if your aim is worthless while jumping, what about when you are jump jetting or jumping off of a building? I think it is a bad idea to gimp awesome moments like that to fix a problem that has many different resolutions.

I think aiming should be only slightly affected by jumping, and bunny hopping limited by something else. I understand that making you move slower while jumping might make movement feel clunky, so what about making it so that when you jump, your weapon gets lowered for about half a second. Only regular jumps would be affected like this, and LA could sacrifice their gun for a split second in return for a more powerful launch.

Or do BF3/MW3 style and make it after 1-2 jumps you barely lift off the ground until you stop jumping for 5-10 seconds, and i agree we still need LA to beable to jetpack and shoot at same time.

Xyntech · 2012-06-20, 11:09 AM

Simple solution for avoiding bunny hopping while not gimping LA would be that it's the act of jumping itself that throws off your cone of fire, but after that split second of huge bloom, it starts shrinking down again even if you are still in mid air. So non LA players could jump off a building and shoot someone on the way down (before going splat), and LA could open fire on someone as they reached the top of their jump, to help them take a roof top from entrenched defenders.

Locking weapons while jumping is going to far, but making different weapons bloom to different degrees would be an adequate solution. That and making standard jumps be more shallow and take longer the more times you jumped in a row. Maybe after the first jump, any immediate subsequent jumps would also start slowing your horizontal movement speed, making you a slower sitting duck if you tried to hop around.

Light Assault should take care of most of the twitch gameplay needs of the game, so no need to make the slower classes like HA look silly by having them trying to jump around everywhere. Multiple play styles would be accommodated and the over all feeling the the game could still stay somewhat consistent and semi-serious.

Stew · 2012-06-20, 11:27 AM

Originally Posted by RSphil

iv played alot of FPS's and tested alot.

one gripe i have with alot of them are players who bunny hop to kill you.
is this a problem in ps1 and will be a problem in ps2?

battlefield combated this by stopping you shooting while jumping and you dont see it in bf3 as you dont jump that high cus you actually physically jump over obstacles now so people dont bother.

Agree BF3 systhem must be use their ! No bunny anoying hoping !

No shooting while jumping and no shooting while performing prone if prone is integrated No matters whats some hater said !!! Bf3 have some good mechanics to prevent many anoying crap from the old games

NO shotting at all while jumping like Bf3 is the only solution and solve the problem all those cone of fire thing will all be exploits !

lolroflroflcake · 2012-06-20, 12:17 PM

Dude I don't even know why your saying something about this, without even playing you have got to know light assaults are going to be bunny hopping all bloody over the place. As annoying as that is they are in the game and you can't change it without crippling the class, best get used to it.

velleity · 2012-06-20, 12:53 PM

Originally Posted by elfailo

It only works because of a piece of code that got into Quake 1 by mistake, and then got expanded into a skill by the community.

Mistake is a bit strong. It was an unknown consequence of the physics code design not being able to track differing acceleration and velocity vectors, and the effect being enhanced when fps is capped at certain nodal points.

This was also possible in all the quakes, soldier of fortune1 & 2, RTCW, RTCW/ET off the top of my head, and not just CPMA. CPMA is a re-implementation of the full set of Q1 physics which had superior air control to vanilla Q3.

velleity · 2012-06-20, 01:04 PM

Originally Posted by elfailo

It only works because of a piece of code that got into Quake 1 by mistake, and then got expanded into a skill by the community.

Mistake is a bit strong. It was an unknown consequence of the physics code design not being able to track differing acceleration and velocity vectors, and the effect being enhanced when fps is capped at certain nodal points.

This was also possible in all the quakes, soldier of fortune1 & 2, RTCW, RTCW/ET off the top of my head, and not just CPMA. CPMA is a re-implementation of the full set of Q1 physics which had superior air control to vanilla Q3.

QuantumMechanic · 2012-06-20, 01:06 PM

There are "realistic" FPS games that got released after Counter-Strike that allow bunny hopping? I don't mean games like Unreal Tournament. That is a sad commentary on the FPS industry.

AzK · 2012-06-20, 01:43 PM

OP, assuming you're referring to the simple act of jumping while firing and not actual bunny hopping, which is the case like 90% of the times when people use the term, jumping in ps1 was extremely bad for your aim not to mention it drained precious stamina, don't think ps2 will be any different (aside from the stamina part).

I don't really care since it's not the kind of game where i feel like i need to jump while shooting, but if it's like bf3 i'll definitely be jumping around while moving/escaping (ps1 wasn't like that).

Barbapapa123 · 2012-06-20, 01:51 PM

this is highly relevant

Vetto · 2012-06-20, 02:24 PM

Gotta jump on bored with a lot of people I do not desire to see "bunny hoping" it PS2, at the very least gunning and hoping can not happen, you wanna bounce around go for it, just don't let them be able to shoot there gun.

As for the video mentioned only reason TF2 had such a "jumping" mechanic is cause they balanced the crap out of it, A scout had one of the lowest healths in the game, and demo and soldier have to suffer damage which is not all that useful in a gunfight outside of fleeing. But when all said and done if a scout is jumping around the heavy who actually aims will rip it apart in matter of moments.

Call me old fashion, but for me the guy who aims should be rewards, not the guy who spazzes around jumping and hip shooting,.