If PS2 is anything like this... - Page 6

fod · 2012-07-13, 04:30 AM

Originally Posted by Bags

Well, you're half right~

in planetside enhanced targeting DOES NOT work anything like 3d spotting - again (i have mentioned this to you before) enhanced targeting only shows the health of what you are looking at, it does not let you target multiple enemys for other people in your faction to shoot at

yes ps1 had regen implant but it took a LONG time for it to heal - if its like this then i suppose i can handle it but in bf3 you regen fast (and its more of a concern with vehicles)
edit: i dont use regeneration implant in ps1 but im sure it takes a while - where as TB's videos people that regenerated was full health about 30 seconds after being shot

ok low ttk isnt a battlefield exclusive but its still something i dont want to see in planetside

Accuser · 2012-07-13, 04:46 AM

Originally Posted by Accuser

Easily the best changes they've made yet.
There's a reason no modern shooter has a long TTK! I'm glad our Devs are on top of it ^_^

Originally Posted by lawnmower

lol what
and what reason would that be

Because it's what most people want! Not necessarily what most PS1 vets want, but it's what most people want. That's why there's a "hardcore" mode for BF3 that lowers the TTK further instead of a "softcore" mode that increases the TTK...

fod · 2012-07-13, 04:59 AM

Originally Posted by Accuser

Because it's what most people want! Not necessarily what most PS1 vets want, but it's what most people want. That's why there's a "hardcore" mode for BF3 that lowers the TTK further instead of a "softcore" mode that increases the TTK...

thats fine for bf3 that have many servers over the world so you can always find one close by with low ping

but for the rest of the world not in EU and NA low TTK in PS2 will mean that we could get shot and die before we even see what happened because of the 300-400ms ping to EU and NA servers

plompkin · 2012-07-13, 06:24 AM

Originally Posted by fod

but for the rest of the world not in EU and NA low TTK in PS2 will mean that we could get shot and die before we even see what happened because of the 300-400ms ping to EU and NA servers

Drastically change the game because people outside the nation's servers wanna play there? Apologies if those of us living in the UK/NA disagree with your reasoning.

Karrade · 2012-07-13, 06:44 AM

In order of meh:

C4 on the aircraft while funny to see once, is absolutely stupid from a gameplay perspective, talk about encouraging suicide pilots and a waste of the vehicle bays use. (People who just do this over and over) - My issue with this is, it requires no skill at all to kamikaze/bail and blow something up, and thus doesn't reward more skillful play.

Unlimited C4 is ridiculously OP'd, so I doubt will be in the game anyway.

I've got no issue with someone C4'ing a few tanks, but the blast radius needs to be bigger than that nonesense in BF3 - that one where the tanks turret was turning to him, the blast should have easily taken him out as well. This would stop ninja c4'ing taking out a group of tanks easy enough, as the first tank to go up would have killed the guy too. (Unless the c4 user plays skillfully, you'll see a theme to my post here)

Unlimited stamina requires less skill and takes away a variable such as stamina sapping weapons/falls etc. - Therefore I'm against it. Also it makes having a key to run pointless as someone pointed out, so if we do have unlimited stamina please give me an auto run so I can ignore the fact run is there completely.

I hope cockpit shots don't do anything in PS2 so there is no issue. If people can make shields, thick plated armor, energy weapons, I am sure they can make a protective layer around a cockpit that can take a snipers bullet. - Its more AV that is aggravating, pilots bailing just to take you out with an AV shot, doesn't exactly encourage dogfighting, especially if they lock on. (Again less skill required)

No jumping out with a weapon equipped fixes most of this (including the c4 bailing silliness / AV spam) while still allowing for clever tactics, rigging a tank as a bomb and laying in wait for instance.

Shade Millith · 2012-07-13, 06:48 AM

Originally Posted by Sirisian

Someone needs a secondary gunner is all I'm seeing honestly. This is why the tank system works well. Tanks with just a driver have disadvantages that are fixed with a top gunner.

Also the rate at which the player was laying C4 might be the problem. There is a lot of things the beta tests should be looking out for.

Also the unlimited sprint thing is a problem which is why I'm hoping we see some stamina system in place soon.

The reason why it works for Battlefield, is because the number of tanks is limited.

Can you honestly say that that one tank with two gunners is better than two tanks with battlefield's style?

Originally Posted by Karrade

C4 on the aircraft while funny to see once, is absolutely stupid from a gameplay perspective, talk about encouraging suicide pilots and a waste of the vehicle bays use. (People who just do this over and over) - My issue with this is, it requires no skill at all to kamikaze/bail and blow something up, and thus doesn't reward more skillful play.

Vehicles cost resouces. You would not be able to do this without end. And once you run out, you're not doing it again for quite some time.

GhettoPrince · 2012-07-13, 06:51 AM

Well, in Planetside it's not like you have any skill, you just shuffle side to side really fast to confuse the server, Battlefield style fights will be cool, hell, even Halo style would be a major improvement.

I'm exited to see how planetside scale fights work out with a modern FPS system.

Accuser · 2012-07-13, 06:55 AM

Unlimited sprint is fine. The downside (as you'd know if you've ever played BF3) is that it destroys your hipfire accuracy and it takes longer to aim down your sights. If you walk around a corner, your accuracy will be higher and you're more likely to survive if someone's around it.

C4 kamikazes wont be an issue either if the price of a Flash goes up just a little bit. On the other hand, strapping C4 to a wraith and having your Infiltrator buddy drive it up to a tank might suck pretty hard, hahaha.

Canaris · 2012-07-13, 07:01 AM

add grief points for blowing up your own vehicle, that'll restrict the use of Kamikaze

plompkin · 2012-07-13, 07:26 AM

Originally Posted by Canaris

add grief points for blowing up your own vehicle, that'll restrict the use of Kamikaze

Well vehicles in BF3 don't cost you anything, so if you lose one for something dumb like that, NBD.

Perhaps if you blow up your own vehicle, the cost for another goes up for a while.

fod · 2012-07-13, 07:44 AM

Originally Posted by plompkin

Drastically change the game because people outside the nation's servers wanna play there? Apologies if those of us living in the UK/NA disagree with your reasoning.

apologies but the rest of the world wants to play too
so it should only be fair for EU and US people?.... riiiiiiight

TAA · 2012-07-13, 08:15 AM

Originally Posted by proxy

I'll add that showing videos of exceptional events is just that: exceptional. Not that rule.

I have killed tanks and been killed by remotes explosives because the driver or myself was being stupid, too close to cover that could be exploited by infantry I can generally one shot. Running up to a tank presents risk, just like driving around without situational awareness/motion sensors.

Additionally, this speaks volumes for the people that complain about the gunner/driver issue. Had the drivers in all but 1 of the tanks waited for a Machine Gunner, this might not have happened. Had the Machine Gunner in the last tank been better, i.e., watching where the main gunner is NOT watching, they would be alive.

Did those tankers look like skilled pilots to you?

Absolutely spot on. This sort of thing does not typically happen in a game. The guy with the jet got very lucky, and the three tanks he took out with C4 had both terrible drivers and a terrible gunner.

Originally Posted by MrBloodworth

Great example of why no enter/exit animations is retarded.

Here is another
BF3 - Jet Swap -Epic Air Shot [SUPPORT] - YouTube

This sort of thing takes hundreds of attempts to pull off. Some of these videos were specifically done for a competition to showcase the most ridiculous things people can do in the game. In hundreds of hours of Battlefield I have never seen anyone pull off jet stunts like these.

MrBloodworth · 2012-07-13, 10:09 AM

Originally Posted by TAA

This sort of thing takes hundreds of attempts to pull off.

That's irrelevant.

Jumping out of an aircraft at super sonic speeds ( Not ejecting ).
being able to shoot at 30,000 feet with rocket launchers.
Getting back in from the tail section, at super sonic speeds.....
Treating equipment as disposable

Does not matter if you succeed or not, its retarded.

Karrade · 2012-07-13, 10:44 AM

Originally Posted by Shade Millith

Vehicles cost resouces. You would not be able to do this without end. And once you run out, you're not doing it again for quite some time.

I can tell you right now, if we can do this, I am doing it every time i pilot a light fighter. - Which I don't feel will cost the earth, or else why would people cert pilot? Especially if it earns you resources from killing things.

If I am at half health, lookout enemy base, I am raining C4 on you!!!!

No its stupid, but if its in i'll abuse it till people realise it gives me an advantage of playing a suicide role.

wraithverge · 2012-07-13, 10:45 AM

it may be retarded, and it may be really close to impossible, but it is FUN. I like games that are fun. You know what they call games without fun? Failures.