Are DICE Getting worried about planetside 2..

[SkilletSoup]

I just hope PS2 is successful enough to bring consolers back into PC gaming. Please SOE allocate NO resorces to console porting of PS2. Put my dollars that I spend into expanding the PS2 experience and beyond. The possibilities are endless.

[JPalmer]

Originally Posted by Kevin D Lee

BF3 is and will still be the better game for E-Sports / Tournaments due to the ability to limit team sizes. They have nothing to fear from PS2 in that regard. As for casual players... yeah they may come over. Remember PS2 won't have the destruction the BF3 engine offers.

6 pages you probably had this response. ESports is in the works for PS2 after the game is released. Most likely separate servers with timed events for Outfit vs Outfit or Squad vs Squad.

[ChryptXXII]

Why would DICE be worried?

Battlefield commands the market in their niche because there are no other games like it. PS2 is going to be an epic game, no doubt, but compairing PS2 and BF3 doesnt fit, the only things they have in common are that they are FPS and they both have vehicles... thats it.

You can hate on BF3 all you want but when it comes down to it name 1 other game thats like it. Sure, they made their mistakes with BF3 and its far from perfect, but its a fun dynamic game.

Going forward we will see what type of standard is set by PS2, I imagine that if this game is successful as it seems that it may set a standard for future games in the FPS industry.

[Poser]

Originally Posted by VaderShake

If PS2 is as glorious as it looks and makes mad $$$ (I have no problem throwing $20 a paycheck at it for the next 3-4 years) it begs the question....

But on what? I don't want tiger armor...

[TAA]

Originally Posted by Shogun

not only dice is worried about ps2. every fps developer is or should be.

not only because fps games will have to keep up with 2000 players per map from now on, but because nobody will want to buy AAA titles for 60 bucks if there are AAA titles available for free! and the free game doesn´t even look less polished!

i am sure ps2 marks the end of those blender games who just overhype their game before launch by great blockbustermovie-like commercials to trick as many players as possible to buy it in the first week. too many of those games were a great success, but could not maintain an active playerbase for long.

developing games as free to play forces you to deliver on gameplay and fun! no fun, no money! this was not the case for boxed games. you had to buy it to find out if it´s really a fun game. if it wasn´t, you were screwed and had payed for the trashcan.
and free trials or demos only showed the most fun part of games and told you nothing about the replay value or longtime fun/endgame motivation.

but the article about the big bf3 map really sounds pathetic as hell for people who know something about planetside 2 and its developement!
big challenge? unbelievable big map?
those guys sound like they have built the best and coolest matchbox car ever! while higby and his team just built a real musclecar or functional spaceshuttle

I have heard this before. Usually its worded a little differently though. Usually it sounds more like "this is going to be the WoW killer!"


There are a lot of challenges ahead for PS2. Yes, the fact it is f2p will get a lot of people to try it. Will they stay? Will they pay even if they do stay? We can only hope so.

• What about the lag? No local servers will be a massive turnoff for a lot of FPS players.
• What about the fact that there are no alternative game modes?
• What about the fact that the graphics are good but not the best?
• What about the lack of a single player campaign? Yes, many people only play shooters for the single player game.
• What about the set gaming parameters such as player health? A lot of people prefer HC mode to normal mode in COD and BF, and will only play those modes. Other people hate 3D spotting, or minimaps, etc.

What about the clans however? Will they come over from other FPS titles in droves? Not as likely. An MMO makes it very difficult for an FPS clan to do some very important things:

• Lock the server for members only to practice, or to set up a scrim against another clan.
• Change the server rules to match their preferred style of play.
• Play in a competition.

Will the huge number of simultaneous players in PS2 set a new standard for games? Well did PS1 set a new standard? Did MAG? I hope it does. I love the idea of mass combat. I am reluctant to say that it will actually happen though.

Yes we all hope that PS2 will be successful, but there are obstacles to be overcome.

[Naz The Eternal]

Fuck DICE and EA.

Both a bunch of crooks.

BF3 has got be the biggest disappointment of a game, no other Battlefield series has been so broken and not fixed. Even after the extra $50 they took for premium, the vanilla game still has bugs everywhere.

[VaderShake]

Originally Posted by Poser

But on what? I don't want tiger armor...

I don't know, it is the biggest question I have about PS2, but it's a major social outlet for me and if it becomes a place I spend 10-20+ hours a week I am willing to $upport this franchise. Also for me it's my entertainment and somtimes my only chance to sociolize with my friends.

I can only use my expiriance playing Need4Speed world which is play for free. It's a really nice little game, I got into it, then decided to spend $20 and get a car or 2 and some upgrades which I could have gotten them by playing but I simply don't have the time I used to. All told I think I dropped about $60 on Need4Speed World and I did not mind, It was fun and pretty good quality game, I still play now and again, they keep supporting it, my friends played it and we had some laughs, it was still cheap entertainment.

Also it helps I just got a healthy raise.....hahaha

[Eyeklops]

Originally Posted by TAA

For years PC game design has been stunted by the hardware limitations of consoles. The new generation of consoles will be a huge leap up for game design - it will set the new minimum level for the vast majority of PC games to come out for years after that. PC games always have been and always will be superior to consoles. Unfortunately the reality is that most games are designed with consoles in mind, not for the PC primarily. I am looking forward to the next generation of consoles. No I am not going to buy one. I am going to upgrade my computer instead.

This. I would really like to see the hardware performance gap between PC and console close abit, it is about due. This is a good thing for PC players as the console ports will utilize more of that high end PC hardware we paid so much money for.

[Hamma]

I saw this last night it's a rather interesting development from DICE.

Also at people saying the destruction engine makes it the better game.

We shall see which game is better once everyone plays it. PlanetSide offers more than Battlefield's locked map and round system could ever hope to.

[typhaon]

I think many of you guys jump to the most severe conculsion... DICE can be very interested in the success/failure of PS2 - because it might have very important rammifications with respect to what future FPS players expect - and NOT be worried that nobody will buy BF4 and they will go out of business.

Sure... PS2 isn't available on consoles - but that also doesn't mean DICE and co. would be particularly happy if 2 million PC FPS players decided BF/COD no longer offered the best experience.


* for the record... I love BF3, I think destruction is awesome and just about everything else in the game is top notch. On the other hand, there were many times when I played it I thought how much cooler it would be if the maps were 128 vs. 128 or greater with more persistence. I imagine there are a LOT of people that think just like me.

[Eyeklops]

Originally Posted by LegioX

Come back to me when PS2 on consoles can handle 2000 player maps, with the bandwidth restrictions microsoft and sony has right now.

Derp? Were talking about a Sony game, Sony console, & Sony network. If they think the money is there, they will make all three work together and the bandwidth restrictions will be changed. I think that Planetside 2 has lots of internal "hype" not only within SOE, but also other area's of Sony. Don't be surprised if they hammer out all the bugs for Planetside 2 on PC, and then in a few years push PS2 as the killer app for the Playstation 4 release.

[infinite loop]

Originally Posted by TAA

BF is a well established franchise, and BF3 looks amazing. Once the new generation of consoles come out the next generation of shooters will be absolutely phenomenal. Never underestimate the appeal of being able to reshape terrain during a fight. No, BF is in no danger from PS2.

Some of you are way too confident/hopeful that PS2 will be a monster hit. I for one am worried. Very worried.

Almost all the first beta testers are going to be PS1 vets. This wouldnt be any concern, except that the devs really do seem to listen to what their playerbase says. PS1 vets are the last people they need to take advice from to build a truly phenomenal shooter. Leave it up to them (the diehard PS1 vets who are still subbed to this day) and we will get a bastardized version of PS1 with prettier graphics. It certainly wont help that this game is going to look old and antiquated in a couple of years when the standard hardware for games takes a giant leap forward due to next gen consoles.

^ very much this. I do think this is why they have given away so many beta keys though, to try and get some modern fps (but non-PS1 vet) players into the beta. They absolutely need input from the BF/COD playerbase, or PS2 is in serious trouble.

[wasdie]

Probably a bit.

I'm sure Planetside 2 is going to have a major positive influence on the next big Battlefield game.

Planetside 2 is NEEDED for FPSs right now. We are stuck in a rut that CoD put us in, Planetside 2 is at the beginning of a new generation of game consoles that will have 10x the power of the current gen. Developers will need a guide of how to build a next-gen FPS. Planetside 2 can be that guide.

[Exmortius]

i could definitely see a smaller version of ps2 running on the ps4 at launch next year. it would be a smart move and would help spread the name/franchise. i honestly would love to see them just squash battlefield and cod franchises in one blow. it'll take time but i think higby and co. can pull it off. everything i've seen so far from this game in vids just looks incredible and pushes the bar.

[basti]

Originally Posted by Klockan

In all the forums I frequent the planetside 2 threads are really small and people barely talks about it. There is a rather small population that is hyped for planetside 2, nothing even close to what the big AAA titles get. Even this forum is extremely small and it is the biggest forum for PS2 currently. If you say that PS2 is hyped then you are just delusional. If you show me any forum anywhere except this one that is shows the masses being hyped I might reconsider my opinion but at most there is a thread with some guy telling others about PS2, maybe 3-5 guys are actively talking about the game with most just asking how to get a beta key and then the thread dies after a few pages. All the big AAA games had threads with hundreds of pages before even beta was released.

Let me tell you a bit about hype, so you understand how stuff works, rather than typing random letters that somehow form words:

No game gets hyped by itself. No game ever managed to be hyped just because it is THE game.
In fact, only sequels get hyped. THe original Battlefield 1942 didnt really take off, the original Call of duty was just one shooter of many. Yet, whenever those games get a new installation of themself out, everything goes to shit and nothing else is important anymore. Why? Because of two simple facts:
1. The still existing playerbase, as well as the devs, go out and tell everyone.
2. Everyone who ever played that game forgot all the bad memorys and just goes OMIGOD A NEW BF/COD/WUTEVER HYPE HYPE HYPE.

Then, as said, everything goes to shit.



Now, with a game like planetside, this obviously cant happen that easily. For once, planetsides Playerbase is much smaller than that of the original BF or COD. Then, we have a rather difficult problem to solve: explaining planetside.

In all my years of a PS player, every single damn time i tried to explain to someone that there are 133 vs 133 vs 133 players on a map in a persistent battle, people went "whut?", and asked me questions what i mean, like how long they fight, what the goal is, when the round ends (you wont believe how often i got that one), what i mean with 133vs133vs133, how much can fit on one server, etc.
People simply cant understand the concept of Planetside. Its so absolutly absurd and unrealistic in a gamers mind that they completly block out. You simply cannot explain it quickly, you always need to spend hours upon hours to make sure the dude figures out whats really going on.

We tried to fix that for Planetside 1, and had some success. It was called the "Guerilla marketing campaing", and it did help a bit.
As for Planetside 2, this can only be fixed by waiting for beta, grabbing loads of footage from massive battles, and spamming such videos into everyones face.
Onces thats done, BF will be rather dead.

So yes, Dice is worried, in fact they are shitting their pants, because they know they have absolutly nothing to offer to the actual Battlefield Fans that enjoy the big maps.

The Moment Planetside 2 opens to the public, means Open Beta, all hell will break loose, and Games like COD, BF and whatever other PC shooter out there will loose a large chunk of their playerbase.
And im not telling you that as a PS Fanboy, but as a Gamer who played a craplot of Multiplayer FPS.