SOE does not intend to listen to feedback. Time for another method? - Page 6

AnamNantom · 2013-01-27, 08:52 AM

Originally Posted by Crator

One thing I do agree with being said, whatever system is put in place for e-sports should probably be integrated with the existing global conquest system.

There was talk about outfit owned bases as well as e-sports. Perhaps they are thinking about the tournaments in that aspect. So for instance there are small continents that are linked to the main continents. These are specifically used for outfit tournaments and the winner affects the warpgate links in some kind of way. So basically gives the players a way to control that aspect of the game.

That, would be interesting. I do like the idea of player owned bases, I've been waiting to see that on the roadmap.

AnamNantom · 2013-01-27, 09:04 AM

Originally Posted by Revanmug

Just putting this because of this "sandbox" excuse being thrown out. There is absolutly nothing... NOTHING that link open world and sandbox.

A sandbox game can be a SP, can be a MP, can be instance or not. All sandbox mean is that you are "more" free to do what you want, when you want.

If SOE hold to theirs words and use a specific competition server only for events which will be rarer, being against that is actually removing a sandbox element which is, in this case, the possibility of competition. It completly remove the possiblity to show what an outfit can do when facing another opponent of the same force WHICH you'll never see ingame and you should know that. It's call pride in your outfit.

You might love to RP and "immerse" yourself in the game but not everyone does. For many, fps could be resume at : shoot dude not my color and, hopefully, do the objectives. In other words, don't shove what you like in others people throat.

There's no shoving of anything in anyone's throat.

Sandbox is a style of game in which minimal character limitations are placed on the gamer, allowing the gamer to roam and change a virtual world at will. In contrast to a progression-style game, a sandbox game emphasizes roaming and allows a gamer to select tasks. Instead of featuring segmented areas or numbered levels, a sandbox game usually occurs in a “world” to which the gamer has full access from start to finish.
- http://www.techopedia.com/definition/3952/sandbox

Isn't having instances going against the sandbox idea because instances are segmented areas?

Shamrock · 2013-01-27, 09:05 AM

I agree that the back-story is important for some players, it fleshes out the motivation for why we are fighting beyond the actual game mechanics; but for the vast majority of new players the best we can hope for is they bind to one particular faction and grow fond of it enough to have an enduring faction loyalty. This is something that is truly unique in PS and gives it an edge over session based shooters, where loyalty is more narrowly based, ie on your clan.

I don't have a problem with e-sports, an in game rationalisation could be created for why these outfits need to hive off to an instance, say a fight over a particular installation that contains a rare or vital resource, im thinking a "Where Eagles Dare" scenario.

I want Planetside to continue to grow, this means tapping into as many revenue streams as possible, e-sports puts PS on a stage where it will attract players who may never otherwise have heard of it, its a marketing tool that should be leveraged. I would balance that with the caveat that PS should never become BF with a sci-fi skin, that would be throwing away all that makes it unique; rather it should have enough elements in it that make players of CoD and BF feel comfortable enough playing it so we can show them there is a real alternative to limited session based play. We currently have the scale right in PS2 we just need to get the Meta element right to get the game on an even keel.

Dougnifico · 2013-01-27, 10:11 AM

I'm 100% with Basti on this one. It's not going to take anything away from the game and can open it up to new players and gain increased exposure (leading to more players). I think that the entire fear behind the notion of E-Sports is that it will "Call of Duty-ize" the game. This is not going to happen.

Edit: Wow. Like 10 million comments came in while typing this. Just... imagine this with the Basti v. Pointman bout.

Ghoest9 · 2013-01-27, 10:16 AM

Originally Posted by AnamNantom

In what way does it make sense for warring factions to drop the fighting to run off and shoot each other in some gladiatorial sport while the war rages on elsewhere? <-- That question, that you yet again ignored.

Your attempts at insulting me, are par for the course with someone trying to "troll". I could go make fun of your spelling mistakes and insult everything from your neckbeard to your mother, but that's not very productive. Just like this conversation.

I do hope you enjoy the anti-social status you've earned while also being ignored.

Dude - its a game - its not your business to make other people play the game.

Get over yourself. YOUR DICTATORIAL DESIRES DONT MATTER.

If people want to to log out of the game to play a tournament its no different than if the want to log out and play WOT or BF3.

Get over yourself ego boy.

LLRUKK · 2013-01-27, 10:25 AM

You know what would really be great? If the in-game chat worked for everyone. Grand ideas, while great in intent, are worthless without chat either in game or TS or such. Please, either fix the in-game chat or do away with it. I am tired or running around oblivious to what my other squad mates are up to. Fix and balance the base game, then explore progressive ideas. And yea, I'm whining about the broken chat.

Ghoest9 · 2013-01-27, 10:25 AM

Originally Posted by AnamNantom

There's no shoving of anything in anyone's throat.

You want to deny people the option of playing tournaments so their only option with the PS2 unierse is to play the way you want them too - even though it will have no effect on you - because it hurts your concept of game lore?

?????

Are you deluded?

p0intman · 2013-01-27, 11:26 AM

Originally Posted by Ghoest9

You want to deny people the option of playing tournaments so their only option with the PS2 unierse is to play the way you want them too - even though it will have no effect on you - because it hurts your concept of game lore?

?????

Are you deluded?

I dont think he is, you might be though.

Originally Posted by Ghoest9

Dude - its a game - its not your business to make other people play the game.

Get over yourself. YOUR DICTATORIAL DESIRES DONT MATTER.

If people want to to log out of the game to play a tournament its no different than if the want to log out and play WOT or BF3.

Get over yourself ego boy.

lol putting words in the mouths of others and calling people dictators because you disagree with us. get over yourself, and take a look at your own ego, boy.

Originally Posted by Dougnifico

I'm 100% with Basti on this one. It's not going to take anything away from the game and can open it up to new players and gain increased exposure (leading to more players). I think that the entire fear behind the notion of E-Sports is that it will "Call of Duty-ize" the game. This is not going to happen.

Edit: Wow. Like 10 million comments came in while typing this. Just... imagine this with the Basti v. Pointman bout.

The last time I saw Basti ingame in ps1, I farmed the ever loving fuck out of him at Anu on forseral. Murdered an entire galdrop he was in, and then he promptly rage-logged. He was slaughtered like AT often is. I've a feeling Basti would be very bad at outfit tournaments.

As for turning the game into a large cod/bf3 game without any end... too late. already done. outfit tournys will just continue the bastardisation of planetside.

Ghoest9 · 2013-01-27, 11:40 AM

Originally Posted by p0intman

I dont think he is, you might be though.

lol putting words in the mouths of others and calling people dictators because you disagree with us. get over yourself, and take a look at your own ego, boy.

The last time I saw Basti ingame in ps1, I farmed the ever loving fuck out of him at Anu on forseral. Murdered an entire galdrop he was in, and then he promptly rage-logged. He was slaughtered like AT often is. I've a feeling Basti would be very bad at outfit tournaments.

As for turning the game into a large cod/bf3 game without any end... too late. already done. outfit tournys will just continue the bastardisation of planetside.

Saying people should not have an option simply so they will be more likely to log into the game and play with you - that is dictatorial. Plain and simple.

Saying you arent trying to force something down someone throat - when you are trying to force them to log into the game to play the way you want - that is being deluded.

Nothing I said was me being deluded.
I suspect you dont know the real definition of that word because as you used it in reference to me it does not make sense.`

p0intman · 2013-01-27, 11:59 AM

Originally Posted by Ghoest9

Saying people should not have an option simply so they will be more likely to log into the game and play with you - that is dictatorial. Plain and simple.

Saying you arent trying to force something down someone throat - when you are trying to force them to log into the game to play the way you want - that is being deluded.

Nothing I said was me being deluded.
I suspect you dont know the real definition of that word because as you used it in reference to me it does not make sense.`

You're deluded in your opinion that your opinion is the only correct one.

Badjuju · 2013-01-27, 12:16 PM

Originally Posted by AnamNantom

In what way does it make sense for warring factions to drop the fighting to run off and shoot each other in some gladiatorial sport while the war rages on elsewhere? <-- That question, that you yet again ignored.

Your attempts at insulting me, are par for the course with someone trying to "troll". I could go make fun of your spelling mistakes and insult everything from your neckbeard to your mother, but that's not very productive. Just like this conversation.

I do hope you enjoy the anti-social status you've earned while also being ignored.

It doesn't have to make sense because this is a game; especially when you consider that they said this would exist out side of the actual game, not effecting it at all. If you have no interest in it that is fine, but that dosn't mean others will feel the same. If it doesn't effect the core game and there are people out their that will enjoy it then why hate on it?

AnamNantom · 2013-01-27, 02:04 PM

Originally Posted by Badjuju

It doesn't have to make sense because this is a game; especially when you consider that they said this would exist out side of the actual game, not effecting it at all. If you have no interest in it that is fine, but that dosn't mean others will feel the same. If it doesn't effect the core game and there are people out their that will enjoy it then why hate on it?

I think of Planetside 2 as more of a simulator in some degree. If not for anything, the fact that it's very large and so open and you have so many choices. It's one of those rare "sandbox" games I enjoy.

I don't hate on the MLG instance thing, though that is counter the seamless gameplay that they are trying to push in PS2. I hated the idea of outfits of opposing factions having secluded contests. Chewy inspired me with a war story of opposing forces literally stopping fighting to hang out during Christmas. That does sound nice.

I'm not trying to deny ppl things, but my vision for PS2 is one of congruence with the over arching story. Why have a backstory and hire a writer to rehash the original game's story if you are going to throw in things that will jar it?

I see gaming as the ultimate art form. The players and the developers work towards creating something alive, inspiring, wonderful. Mind you, part of that is shooting noobs and BuzzCutPsycho in the face

I love doing that stuff, but it's just a part of it.

Anyways, I'll just wait and see how SOE does on this. I got faith they are great ppl, I know they are, in fact. I just hope they do not let outside influence sully what is already shaping up to be the most excellent game I have ever played.

There. :P

bpostal · 2013-01-27, 02:24 PM

Originally Posted by Higby

Here's a quick rundown of what tournaments or esports will likely look like. If you hate it, great, don't participate, it's not forced in any way shape or form....

Except for the part where it splits the playerbase into a minimum of two sections. Those who care about eSports and those who couldn't give a shit.
True, those of us who don't care are not actively forced to participate but you're still fracturing the playerbase. (which is bad)

You might as well bring more servers online.

Sledgecrushr · 2013-01-27, 02:35 PM

Originally Posted by bpostal

Except for the part where it splits the playerbase into a minimum of two sections. Those who care about eSports and those who couldn't give a shit.
True, those of us who don't care are not actively forced to participate but you're still fracturing the playerbase. (which is bad)

You might as well bring more servers online.

Esports wouldnt be available on demand. The way higby explained it a tourney entrance would have to be worked at in game to qualify. For me this is another incentive for people to log in and play.

Huntsab · 2013-01-27, 02:49 PM

E-Sports in PS2 hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha. The entire combat mechanics would have to be overhauled. This game rewards numbers not individual skill. What a joke.