BF 4 - will it impact PS2 population? - Page 6

Mordelicius · 2013-10-02, 03:56 AM

Originally Posted by Hamma

I'm trying to figure out what their issue is. This game is probably more balanced now than any PlanetSide game has ever been in terms of faction balance aside from one or two small things. They may as well go to BF because I don't know what they are expecting the developers to do.

Aside from that, there are always vocal cases when things like this happen. Their are far more people who enjoy playing who will never post.

I know DVS hates Vulcan and Marauders. They've always said that they almost rolled TR during SOE Live because it's by far the strongest infantry farm. And Vulcan, too, I often hear DVS and NC in general curse/diss TR for using them.

That's they have to be nerfed asap especially for the WDS. Here's why the TR are very popular atm.

Strikers and Vulcan easily wipe out enemy armor. Now, that alone is not the end of the fight. Even with just infantry, the opposition can still withstand the Prowler HE and Fracture Anti-infantry suppression spam. BUT, the Marauder is essentially an anti-infantry C4 projectile spam. Given they've nerfed the nearest competitor, the Fury (as they should have), that's what attracts vehicleside players.

They've basically equipped one faction of easy counters for everything. TR infantry has an easy and powerful Anti-vehicle/armor. TR Armor has an amazingly OP Anti-infantry. In, short, TR can easily rip apart opposition frontlines with much ease.

Hence, all they really have to is nerf those two things, in the interim. That's what drove all the Vanu Zoe fourth factioneers to TR in the last month or so. All the solutions they've posted so far fixes the symptoms of the problem. But not the actual problem which is weapon imbalance.

MGP · 2013-10-02, 07:12 AM

Originally Posted by Mordelicius

I know DVS hates Vulcan and Marauders. They've always said that they almost rolled TR during SOE Live because it's by far the strongest infantry farm. And Vulcan, too, I often hear DVS and NC in general curse/diss TR for using them.

That's they have to be nerfed asap especially for the WDS. Here's why the TR are very popular atm.

Strikers and Vulcan easily wipe out enemy armor. Now, that alone is not the end of the fight. Even with just infantry, the opposition can still withstand the Prowler HE and Fracture Anti-infantry suppression spam. BUT, the Marauder is essentially an anti-infantry C4 projectile spam. Given they've nerfed the nearest competitor, the Fury (as they should have), that's what attracts vehicleside players.

They've basically equipped one faction of easy counters for everything. TR infantry has an easy and powerful Anti-vehicle/armor. TR Armor has an amazingly OP Anti-infantry. In, short, TR can easily rip apart opposition frontlines with much ease.

Hence, all they really have to is nerf those two things, in the interim. That's what drove all the Vanu Zoe fourth factioneers to TR in the last month or so. All the solutions they've posted so far fixes the symptoms of the problem. But not the actual problem which is weapon imbalance.

Damn, Vulcans are so OP: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...Xc&usp=sharing

ZOE, on the other hand, is totally ballanced: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...Wc&usp=sharing

PredatorFour · 2013-10-02, 09:04 AM

Originally Posted by MGP

Damn, Vulcans are so OP: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...Xc&usp=sharing

ZOE, on the other hand, is totally ballanced: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...Wc&usp=sharing

I'm pretty sure Mordelicius was on about harrassers.

VaderShake · 2013-10-02, 11:33 AM

In regard to BF4 impacting the PS2 population after watching the Beta on Twitch I would have to say anyone who is a fan of PS2 who tires BF4 would have to return to PS2 within a month or two tops. DICE completely stripped the gameplay from the Bf franchise with BF3 and apparently is keeping that business model opting to sell a pretty game which is twitch oriented rather than a strategic FPS which is what the other BF games Pre-Bad Company were.

I have not played to much PS2 lately (kids, work, GTA 5) but I have been grabbing my certs everyday and that last patch did boost my FPS but after watching some BF4 beta footage I really want to get some PS2 time in hopefully this weekend....even with GTA online (login problems aside)

Assist · 2013-10-02, 12:04 PM

Originally Posted by VaderShake

In regard to BF4 impacting the PS2 population after watching the Beta on Twitch I would have to say anyone who is a fan of PS2 who tires BF4 would have to return to PS2 within a month or two tops. DICE completely stripped the gameplay from the Bf franchise with BF3 and apparently is keeping that business model opting to sell a pretty game which is twitch oriented rather than a strategic FPS which is what the other BF games Pre-Bad Company were.

I have not played to much PS2 lately (kids, work, GTA 5) but I have been grabbing my certs everyday and that last patch did boost my FPS but after watching some BF4 beta footage I really want to get some PS2 time in hopefully this weekend....even with GTA online (login problems aside)

Not sure why you assume that VaderShake, the game play is much more like BC2 than BF3, but whichever floats your boat. The game is currently in beta, the release is the 29th. The beta consists of 2 maps and most are playing the conquest version of Shanghai for now. The beta is also extremely limited right now(weapons, kits, etc), but just in my experience yesterday I can tell you that the top scores in every game I've been in are not the highest Kills total but usually the guys playing their role in the fight. To me, that's a huge upgrade over what PS2 offers for progression currently where kill farming is still the name of the game.
To each their own though, having played it I didn't have many problems(servers crashing between maps sometimes), and my FPS was a solid 60+ the entire time. The most important thing for me was that I had fun while I played.

Osskscosco · 2013-10-02, 12:17 PM

Originally Posted by Assist

Not sure why you assume that VaderShake, the game play is much more like BC2 than BF3, but whichever floats your boat. The game is currently in beta, the release is the 29th. The beta consists of 2 maps and most are playing the conquest version of Shanghai for now. The beta is also extremely limited right now(weapons, kits, etc), but just in my experience yesterday I can tell you that the top scores in every game I've been in are not the highest Kills total but usually the guys playing their role in the fight. To me, that's a huge upgrade over what PS2 offers for progression currently where kill farming is still the name of the game.
To each their own though, having played it I didn't have many problems(servers crashing between maps sometimes), and my FPS was a solid 60+ the entire time. The most important thing for me was that I had fun while I played.

Beta or not, there is no excuse for ripping off the people with the higher than full price for the game and full price for the premium.

I've heard that EA won't stop until they beat CoD but i didn't think that they were talking about copy/pasting and overpricing.

ChipMHazard · 2013-10-02, 12:51 PM

I agree about the price. I didn't buy Diablo 3 for that ridiculous price and I won't buy BF4 for that price. I stopped paying that much for PC games a loooong time ago.

Chefkoch · 2013-10-03, 05:31 AM

Originally Posted by Assist

I can tell you that the top scores in every game I've been in are not the highest Kills total but usually the guys playing their role in the fight. To me, that's a huge upgrade over what PS2 offers for progression currently where kill farming is still the name of the game.[....]The most important thing for me was that I had fun while I played.

Agree 100%

Escroteitor · 2013-10-03, 06:50 AM

Originally Posted by ChipMHazard

I agree about the price. I didn't buy Diablo 3 for that ridiculous price and I won't buy BF4 for that price. I stopped paying that much for PC games a loooong time ago.

Since this is a MMO it should have a way to grind year.

The profit of playing on a serious platoon isn't the certs, is the feeling that you're really helping your empire to achieve victory.

I prefer this, if people just want to kill, let it be.

Osskscosco · 2013-10-03, 08:55 AM

Maybe it's the effect of the really small map in the beta but game feels like CoD after playing planetside.

People spawning all over the place, shooting you in the back. Everybody is trying to camp and sometimes go for the point. A squad member can give birth to a whole squad in a small elevator and TTK is like 4 times shorter than in planetside.

Dodgy Commando · 2013-10-04, 08:58 AM

It is just a beta, but tbh BF4 hasn't got anything on PS2's scale. Two very different beasts IMO. Not that BF4 won't be a good game or anything, but I find the differences striking.

Each to his own to pick and choose (or play both for those lucky enough to have the time!).

RSphil · 2013-10-04, 09:23 AM

i will be playing both. BF4 has a great feel for modern warfare, the sound, the destruction. BF4 is a good game but as people say it has not got the scale that Planetside 2 has. BF is good for a blast when i want that feeling of being a modern war. when i want scale and good team play i hit Planetside 2.

the big difference in my mind is team work. in Planetside 2 if i ask for a medic or ammo i get it fairly fast, in Battlefield you might never get it. i ran around on BF4 yesterday down to a few rounds in my pistol. had no carbine rounds left, no rockets nothing.

the Community is by far the best on Planetside and that is what will keep here for a very long time.

Emperor Newt · 2013-10-04, 10:38 AM

Originally Posted by RSphil

. in Planetside 2 if i ask for a medic or ammo i get it fairly fast, in Battlefield you might never get it.

If I would get a penny every time I had to spam V4 next a to manned Mana turret...

ChipMHazard · 2013-10-04, 01:43 PM

Originally Posted by Emperor Newt

If I would get a penny every time I had to spam V4 next a to manned Mana turret...

Heh, aye. Whenever I run around lone wolfing it I start noticing that random people aren't nearly as generous with their ammo, heals and resses as my outfit mates. To be fair there are still a lot of lower BR players that have no idea you can switch between the turrent and an ammo pack.

Zulthus · 2013-10-04, 06:27 PM

I'm not worried.

BF4 is pretty underwhelming from what I've seen so far, the only notable "new" thing is the upgraded cover system.

The destruction is really just a gimmick, sure the tower coming down looked cool in the trailer, but if you've seen it once you've seen it every time. The novelty of destructible environments has kind of worn off for me.

The gameplay itself is exactly the same as BF3, nothing new there, I was pretty bored within 10 minutes. You even still have half of the players going recon and squad spawning on top of roofs. (Why does recon get C4 now?)

Performance is pretty poor (but to be expected since it's the beta)

I won't be buying it but I'm sure there will be plenty that'll enjoy it more than I have. I just don't think they'll be gone from PS2 for very long.