Trayvon Martin

[ItsTheSheppy]

He's a scholar and a gentleman.

[Quovatis]

There is certainly more to the story than the initial reports of Zimmerman just pursuing and shooting him. There is evidence that Martin attacked Zimmerman too and had Zimmerman on the ground beating him. Unfortunately, it might be impossible to determine what really happened. Both men had shady pasts. Martin is certainly not the angel that the media and race pimps want him to be. If Zimmerman were black and Martin white, do you think it would be getting the same media coverage? Probably not.

[Traak]

Read the whole thread and all the news. Then you will know why he was shot. Dont lazily ask me to do it for you.

I don't think it stated anywhere that he was shot for the reasons you stated.

[Malorn]

Meh.

[Firefly]

Originally Posted by Malorn

I have. He said self defense, and there was no evidence to arrest. Im curious what conclusion you came to and how you got there.

We're talking about Westboro Traak, here. I can pretty much tell you what Captain Homophobe thinks: here's a black kid from the ghetto wearing ghetto clothes acting ghetto in the land of white folks, you know, gated communities with armed guards to keep the trash out. Probably out peeping through windows at our white daughters and entertaining lustful, sinful thoughts about despoiling the pride of white folks. And of course the black kid, being like all black kids, mouths off and acts like a gangsta thug to the poor white guy just doing his job as a member of the Community Watch. His posturing, frightening to innocent white folks, was incredibly threatening and warranted an armed, lethal response.

[ItsTheSheppy]

It may be worth pointing out that even if Martin had attacked Zimmerman, it was clear that the (armed) Zimmerman was following the (unarmed) Martin, at night. Martin apparently expressed concern that he was being followed to his girlfriend during their phone conversation. I know I would have felt threatened if I was being followed by some older guy at night as I was walking someplace, alone, armed only with a bag of Skittles.

So if Martin attacked Zimmerman, perhaps HE was just "standing his ground"?

And I guess in that case, his only sin was not carrying a gun, so he could have (completely lawfully) shot Zimmerman dead instead.

Because that law makes perfect sense.

[Effective]

Originally Posted by Firefly

We're talking about Westboro Traak, here. I can pretty much tell you what Captain Homophobe thinks: here's a black kid from the ghetto wearing ghetto clothes acting ghetto in the land of white folks, you know, gated communities with armed guards to keep the trash out. Probably out peeping through windows at our white daughters and entertaining lustful, sinful thoughts about despoiling the pride of white folks. And of course the black kid, being like all black kids, mouths off and acts like a gangsta thug to the poor white guy just doing his job as a member of the Community Watch. His posturing, frightening to innocent white folks, was incredibly threatening and warranted an armed, lethal response.

annndddd ./thread

[TheSHiFT]

Originally Posted by Malorn

I have. He said self defense, and there was no evidence to arrest. Im curious what conclusion you came to and how you got there.

Except for the dead teenager he admits to shooting. He may claim self-defense but that is an affirmative defense.

[Quovatis]

And there's a perfect example of how religious indoctrination can cloud your view on other things. It's easy to make the jump from believing something without evidence for religious reasons to believing something without evidence for a crime. Some jury members do this all the time.

[Warborn]

http://abcnews.go.com/US/video/georg...lance-16024475

So here's Zimmerman on the night after the shooting. His lawyer claimed his nose was broken and he needed stitches on his head. That's clearly not the case. I think he has a scrape on the back of his head, but any significant scalp wound bleeds profusely, as does a broken nose. He has no blood on him that I can see. I can tell why the homicide investigator didn't buy his story and wanted to charge him with manslaughter, now. This does not look like a man beaten so severely that he had to pull out his pistol for fear of his life. This doesn't even look like a guy who had been in a fight that night.

I also thought he would be a big fat guy at 250 lbs and 5'9". This guy had 110 lbs over Martin and it wasn't all fat. He would have destroyed a skinny 140 lb, 6'3" teenager in a fight.

[Malorn]

Meh.

[Warborn]

Originally Posted by Malorn

So you expected him to not clean himself up 24 hours later and stay a bloody mess?

This was immediately after the event.

However, I do find it interesting that you are claiming a 140 6'3" kid couldn't outrun a 250 5'9 guy.

I didn't claim that.

[Malorn]

Meh.

[Warborn]

I'm not sure what you're suggesting. What if Martin ran for a bit and then tripped? Or dropped something? Or simply didn't want to run away anymore? What if Martin never exercised and was not as fit as Zimmerman? What would the difference be? Or are you suggesting the only possible explanation is that Martin for whatever reason eluded Zimmerman and then returned to attack him, despite that not being what Martin's girlfriend heard on the phone?

I also like how we've very quickly moved away from the fact that Zimmerman was apparently uninjured, had no blood or other signs of struggle, and was walking around just fine despite supposedly having his head smashed against the ground repeatedly. For a guy who claimed to have been fighting for his life against a scrawny piece of shit he weighed almost twice as much as, he looks no worse for wear. Does that video really not change your opinion at all? I'm really starting to wonder, here.

[Malorn]

Meh.