TTK: Like it faster, or Slower?

[Whalenator]

As I always say, if you get killed you should really feel like you've fucked up. TTK should be a little faster than the snail pace presented in Planetside 1, but not by much. If you're pulling out the realism excuse, keep in mind we're all wearing futuristic armor made out of energy shields and rare earth metals.

The TTK in the demo was acceptable, but not preferable. I would really hope to see a longer TTK as the beta goes on; keep in mind the reason Planetside stood out is because it stood out.

Just like Planetside, the pace of the game should be slow. Gives you time to think. Planetside and consequently Planetside 2 are about more than just massive battles; they're about strategy on both the large and smaller scale. I love short spawn times, but these sorts of things could be a gamebreaker.

tl;dr: Dying should matter.

[DayOne]

Originally Posted by Espion

Rewarding the time and effort someone puts into a hobby? That sounds terrible!

Veterans will be rewarded, they will be rewarded with the knowledge of how not to be shot in the back or flanked.

The idea that a vet can outdo a noob because they just have played so much that it has become muscle memory is ludicrous. How would you feel that someone was able to kill you, despite you getting the first shot on, because they have just scrapped their social life to play the game.

Stupidly high TTK is bad.

[Vancha]

Originally Posted by Espion

Rewarding the time and effort someone puts into a hobby? That sounds terrible!

Heh, I didn't even realize he was criticizing it until I read your post. I thought the "great" was sarcasm.

I guess that's where our opinions are divided. I want my ability to play a role in deciding whether I do well or not. I don't want to own people simply because I saw them first.

[Checowsky]

Low TTKs are for people who can't aim well and think tactics should win...also known as I camped longer so I won.


Let the fun begin.

[EVILPIG]

Originally Posted by Espion

Rewarding the time and effort someone puts into a hobby? That sounds terrible!

Noob and vet are generic terms for a "less skilled" vs. a "more skilled" player. Being a "vet" actually means having been around and that certainly does not garuntee more skill, but these are terms we all understand.

[Figment]

Originally Posted by DayOne

Stupidly high TTK is bad.

I like how you feel ANY TTK other than yours is defined by "stupidly high".

Please, enlighten us, what is a "smartily low" TTK?

[EVILPIG]

Originally Posted by Figment

So dogfights should not occur. Fights should not occur.

Only executions?


How is that fun again?

You think that real aricraft from any era of history put massive amounts of lead into each other as they dogfought? They manuevered unitl one got a killshot then it was usually over. You snuck up high on the flank and opened up, you watched a ball of fire go down.

[Espion]

Originally Posted by DayOne

The idea that a vet can outdo a noob because they just have played so much that it has become muscle memory is ludicrous. How would you feel that someone was able to kill you, despite you getting the first shot on, because they have just scrapped their social life to play the game.

If I can walk into a game as noob and destroy vet players, it's probably a terrible game that will get boring incredibly fast because I have nothing to work towards and challenge myself with.

If I can get the first shot on someone and still lose legitimately, that shows me that the game has depth beyond point and click. That's challenging. That's fun. I don't want to immediately be the master of everything I touch because that means everyone else probably is too, then there's nothing to set you apart from the generic masses.

[DayOne]

Originally Posted by Figment

I like how you feel ANY TTK other than yours is defined by "stupidly high".

Please, enlighten us, what is a "smartily low" TTK?

CoD TTK. Black Ops anyway.

It would certainly not work for planetside but I hope this clears things up.

I think that the TTK seen in the demo was spot on for Planetside 2.

[Checowsky]

Originally Posted by ArmedZealot

trololololololol

I love you now.

[Vancha]

Actually that's a good point about people turtling. The more fragile people are, the less inclined they are to expose themselves. It was hard enough getting people to push forward in Planetside as it was.

[Figment]

Originally Posted by DayOne

CoD TTK. Black Ops anyway.

It would certainly not work for planetside but I hope this clears things up.

I think that the TTK seen in the demo was spot on for Planetside 2.

CoD: BO is horrid for noobs. In our friends group, my brother and I get 15 kills to every 1 to 3 kills for our noob friends. At one point I decided to just use the knife. I got 20 kills, they got 4, killing each other... We started playing BO at the same time and played equal matches since we only play at parties of my brother's, I'm at level 23 now, my brother at level 32, one is at level 7, the other at level 12 and another friend is at level 20. (also play MW2/3 and a lot of Fifa, etc, so don't actually play it more than thrice a month for an hour or 4 in a row)

The only kills the worst of the two got was when he had time to actually aim in my direction or kill the second worst. He camps continuously and is easily discovered and killed before he realises he has been spotted.

The other only got 12 levels because he discovered the grenade launcher attachment. It took ages for me to teach them how to quickstab (they gotten more proficient at that thanks to me, not my brother who gives them no chance to practice).


I ran matches where I would be a free kill all match for them to practice targeting. But their situational awareness would be so horrid, that I would come lie prone next to them and they wouldn't notice for a minute or two.

And by the time they noticed, I would already be LONG gone before they aimed at where I was... Quick TTK does not help them, it just gives them less time to learn. Consider that these people were MUCH more proficient when we played GoldenEye 64 and gave them significant health bonuses. And we'd still win.


Hence I would personally like the TTK seen in vid to increase by a half if not to PS standards, while the shield recharge is quite a bit slower.

[Ragotag]

IMO, proper Infantry damage effects would also go a long way to help balance TTK. Not many FPS games do this (L4D/L4D2/Rainbow Six series/Ghost Recon series). I would be in support of slower TTK if character models reacted and behaved as if they were getting shot and had suffered damage. Things like getting knocked down or slowed from ballistic/energy impacts and damage effects like slower movement rates, limited or inability to jump, narrowed/monochrome vision, or even the ability to wield/fire two-handed weapons accurately. To me these effects would justify a slower TTK; you can soak up more damage over time but it should have a noticeable effect on your performance.

[DayOne]

I could go for a higher TTK if there was locational damage. You could disable, but not kill, someone by shooting them in the leg.

I dunno, I think I'm gonna opt out this debate by playing the "wait for beta" card.

[Figment]

Originally Posted by DayOne

I could go for a higher TTK if there was locational damage. You could disable, but not kill, someone by shooting them in the leg.

I dunno, I think I'm gonna opt out this debate by playing the "wait for beta" card.

From what I read and heard, they do have different multiplyers for hitting someone in a different part of the body aside from the head, but no actual disabling (or things like in Perfect Dark where you could punch someone and grab their gun - which would be extremely funny if someone would allow that to happen to them).