[Official] Petition for a Triggar Swimsuit Special!

[Hydralisk]

Originally Posted by martyr

haha, of course - 9mm's my favorite; small, light, but still more than enough power.
besides, your gun isn't titanium.

after all, it's my carry weapon.

me too!

[Fragmatic]

Originally Posted by martyr

haha, of course - 9mm's my favorite; small, light, but still more than enough power.
besides, your gun isn't titanium.

after all, it's my carry weapon.

showoff.

get some fiber optic sights and pimp it

[martyr]

get some fiber optic sights

trijicon tritium.

radioactivity is the true plimp nightsight.

[Firefly]

Originally Posted by martyr

haha, of course - 9mm's my favorite; small, light, but still more than enough power.

Maybe for wounding someone.

I always maintain that the bigger bores are good for putting someone down, once and for all, with one round. That's why I believe that my Kimber .45 and my Wilson KZ-45 cannot be beat.

[martyr]

yeah, the old 'stopping power' argument.

the way i see it, i'm out to save my own skin when i carry. if i feel the situation calls for a wound instead of a fatality,i have that option with the 9mm, but i'm also confident that i can kill with it if it comes to that.

i agree that if you don't want to have to be precise in a split-second scenario, larger calibres are the way to go, and i respect their use. i just don't like them as much myself.

[firecrackerNC]

Id go with the most accruate gun. Ive always like the ruger myself.

[Firefly]

Originally Posted by martyr

yeah, the old 'stopping power' argument.

Is there any other kind?

Originally Posted by martyr

the way i see it, i'm out to save my own skin when i carry.

Same here. I don't run around shooting people (not anymore).

Originally Posted by martyr

if i feel the situation calls for a wound instead of a fatality,i have that option with the 9mm, but i'm also confident that i can kill with it if it comes to that.

"Return Fire With Aimed Fire" is the watchword. Center-mass or headshots will drop a threat, but if you're a crack shot and you can compensate for recoil, drop them with a blown-out kneecap. A wound with a .45 is like neutralizing someone with a bulldozer. It might be "overkill" so to speak, but it's guaranteed to work hand's down. I've seen 9mil wounds that don't stop someone unless you dump rounds into them (aka waste), where a bigger bore will make it HURT so bad that they can't get up and come at you again.

Originally Posted by martyr

i agree that if you don't want to have to be precise in a split-second scenario, larger calibres are the way to go, and i respect their use. i just don't like them as much myself.

Again, Return Fire With Aimed Fire. I always, always, Always try to use aimed fire, and since I don't miss... I know where you're coming from, but with handguns, if you aren't precise then you're going to miss. And that round could potentially kill or injure an innocent bystander.

Although to be honest, the reason professional forces use 9mils is because the 9mil won't come back out unless you're shooting Callista Flockheart. A .45 might go through a target and zap someone else.

I respect the smaller bores too, don't get me wrong. And dropping targets with them is like watching a hunter drop elk with a BB gun - just fucking impressive (when you've seen so many 9mil rounds NOT kill a target unless it's point-blank to the face).

[oddfish]

I have a G19c and a Colt 1911. I don't liek people playin' on my phone. I keep it real.

[martyr]

haha, i love where this thread has gone.

so yeah, as you've outlined, the argument against stopping power is precision & bystander safety, which is obviously more applicable in urban (esp domestic) environments, where i am. if/when i end up shooting at people professionally, i'll obviously reevaluate a higher-calibre sidearm.

[Sputty]

If I were to get a gun it would probably be a Colt 1911 clone.

[Heavygain]

Number: Heavygain (childeren get erections too)

[Everay]

Firefly, you were in the Army right? now is that the American Army? and if i may ask, you dont have to answer if its something you dont want to answer, but where have you gotten your experience?

[Baneblade]

Maybe Im one of the few who actually plan for the need to pierce armor plating...

AW50 for teh woot.

[Firefly]

Originally Posted by martyr

so yeah, as you've outlined, the argument against stopping power is precision & bystander safety, which is obviously more applicable in urban (esp domestic) environments, where i am. if/when i end up shooting at people professionally, i'll obviously reevaluate a higher-calibre sidearm.

No no, I'm not arguing pro or con. I am saying I prefer stopping power because precision isn't an issue (I very rarely miss). I am also recognizing that you prefer lighter non-overkill barrels that are more accurate, etc etc et al. As they say, "To each his/her own".

Originally Posted by Everay

Firefly, you were in the Army right? now is that the American Army?

That is correct. US Army, 1994-2004.

Originally Posted by Everay

and if i may ask, you dont have to answer if its something you dont want to answer, but where have you gotten your experience?

I don't want to answer for a variety of reasons. One, that's personal and private. Two, you don't have a need to know or the appropriate level of clearance. Three, that's neither here nor there.

But the most important factor is training. Experience is one thing, but being trained for situations is entirely different. Any retard can be subjected to situations that he/she has zero skill or training for. The ones that usually live are the ones who are trained for that. I have done standard military shooting ranges, I have spent hours upon hours upon countless hours at local shooting ranges tightening my shot group, I have spent time going through various familiarization and qualification ranges for weapons ranging from nine millimeter handguns to Mark-19 automatic grenade launchers to M242 25mm Bushmaster cannons and TOW missiles on the M2 Bradley... and that training runs the gamut of standard infantry battalion training all the way to civilian intelligence agencies and their "private courses" as a requisite for going downrange.

Have a nice day.

[Lartnev]

How did I know that a discussion about Triggar in her swimsuit would turn into a discussion about guns