George Bush Slip Of The Tongue - Page 7

Confectrix · 2003-03-03, 09:28 PM

Profit is a motivator for the unwise. Capitalism is driven by profits and losses. Profit is the result of some good deal; morally and ethically done. The profit of which you speak is no more than greed. The two have a fine line in definition. This is why profit is the motivator for the unwise. One can never be too sure when self-interests as you say, or as I say selfishness comes into play.

Self-interest is the understanding of human nature as it is. Human nature does not stop there; it exceeds those bounds of mere profit, self-interest and mere animalisitc traits. Do not stop your analysis there, move further.

Motivation of the right kind breeds productivity and thereby progress. Profit is not the right kind of motivator. The common good is. Call me idealistic, if your so stuck in the mire.

In any deals I make, my interests are involved. Not greed. As you so propose the US is doing with Iraq.

Remember:

Your profit is my greed.
Your self-interest is my selfishness.

Lexington_Steele · 2003-03-03, 09:49 PM

How do you distinguish between greed and self interest?

Mtx · 2003-03-03, 10:40 PM

Originally posted by Confectrix

The US does what it does for the sake of world stability, WMD control and UN stability. Oil is NOT a concern.

OMG...

Hold on.. that was just hard to swallow.

Where do you get this BS idea that America actually gives a rats ass about the rest of the world?

We don't willingly do anything for free. How many people died in Bosnia before we acted? Why didn't we act faster? Maybe because Bosnia has nothing to offer us.

How many Iraqis have starved to death because of sanctions we put on them? Oh that's Saddams fault... everything is his fault.

I've served this nations military and as an "insider" let me just explain something very important to you. We (the US) don't give a fuck about anyone but ourselves. If there is no advantage to helping someone... we wont help them.

Join the military. You need a serious reality check.

Bighoss · 2003-03-03, 11:21 PM

both sides are arguable and both opinions are equaly right. When it comes to opinions I feel that no one can be wrong unless your saying something completely stupid based on nothing.

secondly your insulting a philosphy major who knows how to make us all look like retards

Lexington_Steele · 2003-03-04, 02:08 AM

Who was insulting who?

I am not sure who you are saying is pursuing a degree in philosophy either?

(although I can guess)

Confectrix · 2003-03-04, 09:00 PM

MTX:

If Bosnia had nothing to offer, why did we get involved at all?

Saddam does what he does with his own rule by his regime. His people are suffering because of him. Yes, it is his fault. Unless you think the US coaxes him to starve his people and use chemical weapons on them. Sanctions directly affect his interests; not the people of Iraq. I will concede to you that it inadvertantly hurts the Iraqi peoples but not intentionally.

I do not need to join the military to "learn" about the "reality" of the US not caring.

Lex:

Greed is the taking or manipulation for the end to take what is beyond one's compensation by justice.

Self-interest is the seeing and insuring one takes what is theirs by justice.

Justifiability is key.

I insult no one. Big was speaking of me. He must remember my posts weeks ago on another topic.

Yours,

Duritz · 2003-03-04, 10:33 PM

Originally posted by Confectrix
The US does what it does for the sake of world stability, WMD control and UN stability. Oil is NOT a concern.

Then explain this to me: Why did we help capture the president of Venezuela, get his officers to try to force him to resign, and support that whole coup? They aren't producing weapons of mass destruction or destabilizing world politics; they have oil that we want cheaper. Well, he decides to raise prices to spite us. THEN we try to divert the reason for rising oil prices to the Middle East, where we *happen* to be opposing Iraq. What a coincidence.

partial source I also got more info from my g/f's dad who's in Air Force

We WILL make money off of an Iraqi puppet state like the oh so many we have created and let crumble. No matter how you look at it. We are out for ourselves, no one else.

It sounds like to me that our country is VERY interested in its of possible profit, and will do everything diplomatically reasonable, which includes war, only with political support, to get it. I don't think that it is a horrible thing, every internationally active country in the world does it, but it cannot be ignored.

Confectrix · 2003-03-05, 01:49 PM

Duritz you're wrong and I can't wait until this is over to give you tangible evidence.

Mark my words, the US will have no gain economically other than a more democratic government to work with.

How can you say the men and women whom we elect are so low that they would "create a puppet state," "plunder" "pillage" and essentially gut the country?

How wrong you are. The government is not some machine. It's real people; like you and me; wanting the best for everyone in this situation.

Squeeky · 2003-03-05, 02:15 PM

Do this thread a favor, and let it die!

Confectrix · 2003-03-05, 02:21 PM

Squeeky, can I not defend myself?

Lexington_Steele · 2003-03-05, 02:35 PM

Originally posted by Confectrix
Greed is the taking or manipulation for the end to take what is beyond one's compensation by justice.

Self-interest is the seeing and insuring one takes what is theirs by justice.

Justifiability is key.

Justifiable to whom? Who gets to decide what is justifiable and what is not.

Apparently it is justification to ourselves, because the international community does not seeem to be completely behind a war with Iraq.

So you are saying that the oil is not a motivation for war because we can not justify taking it.

How about creating ties between Saddam/Iraq and 9/11, saying that the US suffered a huge economic decline because of the attacks and making sure that the US gets the largest share of the oil deals to compensate for the economic decline.

Would this example provide justification for taking the oil? I think alot of Americans and American politicians would buy that.

America is part of the world, and taking the largest share of oil deals would restore economic stability. Think of it as a restoration of world stability, which you suggested was the war's purpose.

Along this line of thinking tied to your "jutification," interest in oil has become intertwined with restoring world stability; intertwined with the puprpose of the war. Therefore it is not incorrect to suggest that oil is a motivation for war with Iraq, unless you can suggest a different source of arbitration for what is justifiable US action.

AeoNELiTe · 2003-03-05, 03:10 PM

The Iraqi people aren't dying because of sanctions impossed by the United States, the Iraqi people are dying because the Iraqi government loots the supplies that are allowed into the country to sell them at inflated prices.

Squeeky · 2003-03-05, 03:23 PM

Originally posted by Confectrix
Squeeky, can I not defend myself?

There is always private messaging, take your arguing there, This thread has turned into an argument, And is old! Let it die

Confectrix · 2003-03-05, 05:00 PM

Blah.

Fine Squeek, have it your way.

Lex, if you want to continue send me a PM, otherwise I don't care.

We leave on your post.

Mtx · 2003-03-05, 06:10 PM

You know what's worse than all this crap?

I have to go get a cell phone. I hate cell phones...

Okay back to the subject.

Saddam sucks, Bush is a dumbass, and the UN is full of pussified losers.

FYI Saddam didn't use BC weapons on "his" people he used them on the Kurds.