Should PS2 have a Russian server? - Page 7

Figment · 2012-06-17, 09:31 AM

Originally Posted by HenchAnt

Given that Planetside2 will use voice chat, I doubt that current translator software will be of much use.

Get us some Universal Translators then from STO.

PrISM · 2012-06-17, 09:38 AM

Let the Chinese and Russians have their own server for their giant clusterfuck of terrible.

Meriv · 2012-06-17, 09:55 AM

I advice to start looking for language officers

I agree with Wot being a babel tower that creates problems but it gets a bit solved with the signals over the map (like lol) , plus real stats mode help a lot because you won't need to tell to the guy to do x thing because he will know what to do in his role if he has the right stats(you will just signal him the coordinates).

you will recognize when there is a bad player(the stats color all players name depending how good he is)/that sometimes has a language barrier so you move yourself too cover his errors /help him; being able to draw the map will help a lot unless he is a stunborn player that won't cooperate at all (and that is the problem I fear, not a language barrier but a cultural one under the shape of nationalism)

Jikkan · 2012-06-17, 10:16 AM

Shouldn't there be servers local to Russia just for the ping issues alone?

I believe most Russians would prefer to play on a local server with better ping and no language barrier, as long as there are enough local servers.

And those Russians who would rather play with the EU community should be able to do so, at the cost of higher ping because of the distance to the EU servers.

I am using Russians as an example specifically because they have such a huge presence in the gaming community. They definitely justify local servers so that they can enjoy the game with low ping.

For EU I suspect the servers will all be at the same physical location but you could designate language groups for them. Though there would be no ping advantage for non-english players to play on their own language server, they would have the advantage of being able to communicate with their team much easier. Again, if a player wants to play on a different server he should be able to.

Minority non-english language groups would still be shafted by this system. I don't have a solution to that.

NewSith · 2012-06-17, 10:29 AM

Originally Posted by PrISM

Let the Chinese and Russians have their own server for their giant clusterfuck of terrible.

LOL, one of the reasons Russian youngsters being nationalistic is you.

Originally Posted by Meriv

(and that is the problem I fear, not a language barrier but a cultural one under the shape of nationalism)

Bullseye to you and Figgy. The exact problem with Russian youth is the growing nationalistic commotion inside the country. I really like the reaction of my kin when...

Now let me elaborate: most of the Rus nationalism IRL is aimed at Caucassians that are slowly starting to flood the streets of western Russian cities, creating diaspora and suspiciaously easily getting onto high places and winning/avoiding lawsuits. The catalyst for the growth of country's nationalism was the Murder of Egor Sviridov and the Aftermath.

...they accuse Caucassians of gathering in national closed groups and using their own language instead of Russian, while they themselves do the same in Europe.

p0intman · 2012-06-17, 10:31 AM

Niet.

Jikkan · 2012-06-17, 10:32 AM

Originally Posted by DjEclipse

USA have a large gaming community too should we exclude Canada and Latin America from it? No. If you want the Russians to play nice, you have to play with them. Give it time. Online gaming is still very new.

I haven't talked about excluding anyone. I specifically said no region locks.

Meriv · 2012-06-17, 10:40 AM

Originally Posted by DjEclipse

USA have a large gaming community too should we exclude Canada and Latin America from it? No. If you want the Russians to play nice, you have to play with them. Give it time. Online gaming is still very new.

edit: sorry I was writing while you writed on no server lock with what I agree.

idk if you notified but your two biggest states has a 35% of spanish speakers? Plus all the italo-americans that understand it with no problem, and latin america doesn't have cultural enimosity, have you read the wot post with russian doing tk because you are european? The relation between canada and Us is quite different from the one that ukranian and polish have with the russian.

And as conseguence of Monroe philosofy of "America to the americans" (pls understand the double meaning of it) all america is Us centered culturaly.

something quite hard to understand from a portuguese to a russian the cultural difference are too big.

Sabot · 2012-06-17, 11:11 AM

Always had problems with Russians in almost every MMO and online game. NEVER had any problems with anyone that was speaking russian in PS1 (somone might have been from there, but then at least he did speak english :P). You'll have bad apples from all nationalities, obviously. But as long as they can avoid the use of a language half the server doesn't understand while spkeaing to to rest of the server, and can avoid using the general or continent chat to just... scream in russian for no reason, as they do... I see no problem with russians hanging out with the rest of EU, and the only reason for havigng Russian servers would be for the market.

If there's anyone I feel bad for it's the US players that'll have to put up with Brazillians. Worst community of players I've ever seen... and they lurk in F2P games like weed in the woods.

Meriv · 2012-06-17, 11:19 AM

Originally Posted by DjEclipse

There's plenty of cultural fuckery in America. How many times we've all heard ****** this ****** that. But lets get all Sigmund Freud and say if we didnt want to play with each other. We wouldnt be playing online in the first place. It's just words, and like I said you will find Russians who will teardown that wall (Reagan) and start playing with you. Even if you Polish!

First I am not polish second I just don't want this game to end up like a way to express hate(as happens in other games) and I just have no idea of how to deal with the problem but putting down ideas somehow could help the devs.

What do you think will happen if in X server there will be a polish majority in Vs and a Russian one in TR do you think that the feeling of the game will stay the same?

And for America topic:
Wow then while living in 3 different countries in America I must have missed them ( I mean big pots of hate as you see in some European countries, take Croatia for example until 2008 no Italian could have bought a house property in the country by law enforcement and idk if it is still like that and we are just 100 km away, I can make a lot more examples) I didn't said that I wanted a lock for Russian players I just want to find a way to not play with brainwashed(of which ever nationality, or political idea ) ppl that will do me more damage than cooperating while playing.

And I am not making a generalization because I know that there are Russian like the Politkovskaja for whom I just can't put in words my admiration.

MrMorton · 2012-06-17, 11:26 AM

no, it is completely ridiculous for anyone else besides Americans to have their own server.

but seriously I don't see why not

Meriv · 2012-06-17, 11:39 AM

Server lock won't work i just hope devs finds a solution (not much for tk but for the feeling in general)

I will just take some post because this doesn't happen just to us eu players

NA player in test server, i call that a fear state ("don't talk to anybody")
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It's pretty trendy most parts of the world to dislike America. WoT is bascially interactive internet, and the internet has a lot of people...well...who are stupid on it.

Mix it all together and you get players who think teamkilling NA server (or EU server, or other RUS server) players is a good idea. Just follow these simple steps.

1 - Dont' talk to anyone. Just don't even if they speak english, or seem nice....just dont' respond. (only exception is if they help you out, say thanks)
2 - Don't fire back. It's test server, it doesn't matter, thats one of the reasons they're shooting you in the first place.
3 - Save a recording, or take a bunch of screenshots, then send a support ticket.
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At the same time you get post like this

In one case i had a russian guy defend me from another russian and he started to insult his fellow comrade.It was really nice of him,
but then you got the cases where you just have your whole team shot you 30 seconds in the game and start insulting you for being an "American"

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Just google "wot tk russian" and you will understand the proportion.

Immigrant · 2012-06-17, 11:43 AM

Originally Posted by Meriv

mean big pots of hate as you see in some European countries, take Croatia for example until 2008 no Italian could have bought a house property in the country by law enforcement and idk if it is still like that and we are just 100 km away, I can make a lot more examples

Oh come on frogger!

Stop saying uniformed rubbish. Croats had same treatment by Italy up until April 2006, Croatia issued changes to their legislative that same year (thing are way slower here when it comes to changing and implementing laws) and I believe it was fully done in 2008.

That's not proof of hate, I believe we get along with Italians pretty well considering italian fisherman still make illegal incursion into fishing zones belonging to Croatia. Also italian territorial pretensions towards croatian coast were always known and still live among right wing parties there - so please clean up the junk in front of your doorstep first.

Anyway taking that as an example of major hate coming from a man living in a country that deports Roma en masse like cattle is really ridiculous.

Meriv · 2012-06-17, 11:51 AM

Originally Posted by Immigrant

Oh come on frogger!

Stop saying uniformed rubbish. Croats had same treatment by Italy up until April 2006, Croatia issued changes to their legislative that same year (thing are way slower here when it comes to changing and implementing laws) and I believe it was fully done in 2008.

That's not proof of hate, I believe we get along with Italians pretty well considering italian fisherman still make illegal incursion into fishing zones belonging to Croatia. Also italian territorial pretensions towards croatian coast were always known and still live among right wing parties there - so please clean up the junk in front of your doorstep first.

Anyway taking that as an example of major hate coming from a man living in a country that deports Roma en masse like cattle is really ridiculous.

Yeah i was saying it was in both sides don't worry and i never said i agree.

Edith: it is better if you use ******* in place of Romani because outside europe the name is not used a lot

I SandRock · 2012-06-17, 12:10 PM

I don't think PS1 will be representative for PS2 in regards to nationalities. PS1 was a 'niche' game and subscription based. Not many people knew about it and not many people were willing to pay a monthly fee for games.
So you would attract more classic 'MMO' players. DAoC's community can't be compared to the WoW community for instance either. DAoC was a lot more friendlier and thrustworthy. You could give a ton of in-game cash to a random person to transfer to your other alts and 99% chance they wouldn't scam you. Just an example.

But times change and the model of this game has changed. Where Russians-speakers were a minority in PS1 and thus couldn't even really have a large negative impact, you can count on it they will flock to Planetside 2 by the masses. THIS will create an entirely different situation. Especially due to the F2P model of Planetside 2 which opens it up to people from all walks of life.
A better comparison is WoW, SWTOR or APB.
The first two were large popular games that attracted players worldwide. The amount of Russians (Hungarians were the same actually) in the game overall was quite small but enough for them to unofficially hijack a server (Warsong) outcasting every English player on there and not allowing anyone who wasn't (RUS) to join groups. You couldn't even understand anything said in general chat after a few months.

Or compare it to APB:R where Russians would be offensive to English speakers and were statistically twice as likely to use hacks. (F2P game).

The idyllic situation of Planetside 1 is over. It's important there is a Russian server at the launch of Planetside 2 so that those who who wish to speak Russian can go there (voluntarily) and those more international focused members such as we had in Planetside 1 will still be able to choose an English-speaking server. In which repetitive use of foreign languages in public chat should be reportable and give a warning - temp ban.