Zerg - And what that means?

[maddoggg]

Let me explain what zerg means in FPS gaming.
So first of,the zerg is one of the races of the famous RTS game called star craft.
They are an organic race which rellies on masses of cheap and weak units and to win over the enemy by pure numbers.

So in FPS gaming zerg are the unorganized players that just clump up together like one big mindless mass of people.
A typical example of zerg behavior would be B flag on grand bazar on battlefield 3.
The map have 5 flags on conquest large and yet in a 64 player server atleast 48 players would just flood over B and join the clusterf*ck instead of using their brain to flank the enemy.

There is A BIG difference between mindless zerg swarm,and organized team play

PS:*sight*anyone else tyred of stew trying to force his obviesly rong understanding of how high TTK works?

[Stew]

Originally Posted by xnorb

No matter if high TTK or low TTK, higher numbers will always win.

Low TTK simply allows noob-spraying whilst high TTK needs more aiming skills
and enables more aggressive gameplay.

No clue what you want here, but if 100 guys encounter 10, there is absolutely
no way the 10 will win. If you beat 100 guys with only 9 comrades around,
then you were encountered by a horde of 3-year olds and dogs accidently
touching random keys on the keyboard while PS2 was running.

Wrong ive win multiple time in smallers group of awesome players IN MAG with 256 players and also in BF3 taking out 20 + guys with only 4 squad members

So its more than doable if the TTK is not to high and your skills are pretty much good !

If their is equally skills players 10 skills players will win over 3 skills players

But 10 garbage players in a low ttk win loose over 3 good players !

In a high ttk senarios ZERG will always win no matters how good both side are !

[SKYeXile]

Originally Posted by xnorb

No matter if high TTK or low TTK, higher numbers will always win.

Low TTK simply allows noob-spraying whilst high TTK needs more aiming skills
and enables more aggressive gameplay.

No clue what you want here, but if 100 guys encounter 10, there is absolutely
no way the 10 will win. If you beat 100 guys with only 9 comrades around,
then you were encountered by a horde of 3-year olds and dogs accidently
touching random keys on the keyboard while PS2 was running.

its free to play, we should be able to see it.

[Stew]

Originally Posted by xnorb

No matter if high TTK or low TTK, higher numbers will always win.

Low TTK simply allows noob-spraying whilst high TTK needs more aiming skills
and enables more aggressive gameplay.
.

300 spartiates Vs 1 000 000 Zerg persian

Skills and teamwork and coordination and tactics win over numbers with Low tkk

[Toppopia]

As long as there is 1-2 entrances to a base with long firing lines, i think i could hold out for a while with 10-20 others.

[SKYeXile]

...thats a movie.

without interlink radar and now with the maps designed for more skirmish style gameplay its gonna be alot harder for afew people to take on larger numbers. The TTK thing may go either way. you can take down 6 people at once regularly in PS1, how many times have you taken down 6 people at the same time in a tactical shooter? you might be able to if you flank em and get the jump on them, but unless theres stun grenades or something to that effect i cant see somebody waltzing into a room and taking down multiple people like in PS1...maybe a shielded HA with grenades...well see how that plays out.

[Canaris]

Originally Posted by SKYeXile

yea zerg is the tactic of overwhelming the enemy with numbers by sending wave after wave of men at them.

ah the perfect tactic with no flaws, want a job as a TR general?

[xnorb]

No matter if high or low TTK, good player will always manage to take on
a few enemies. But once the amount of enemies if overwhelming, it's
absolutely of no intereset if high or low TTK.

Just imagine 20 grenades flying your direction while you're surpressed by
never ending enemy gunfire and maybe even some rockets coming in.
Pointless discussion.


And BF3 ?
Aw come on, without any communication tools and complete casuals
enjoying the noobified gameplay it's no problem slaying 20+ players alone
if you're willed to invest enough time to get used to the weapons and maps.


To me it's only important to keep a high TTK.
Low TTK only favors spraying, and makes people camp more.

[Stew]

Originally Posted by xnorb

No matter if high or low TTK, good player will always manage to take on
a few enemies. But once the amount of enemies if overwhelming, it's
absolutely of no intereset if high or low TTK.

Just imagine 20 grenades flying your direction while you're surpressed by
never ending enemy gunfire and maybe even some rockets coming in.
Pointless discussion.


And BF3 ?
Aw come on, without any communication tools and complete casuals
enjoying the noobified gameplay it's no problem slaying 20+ players alone
if you're willed to invest enough time to get used to the weapons and maps.


To me it's only important to keep a high TTK.
Low TTK only favors spraying, and makes people camp more.

MAG as the best VOIP and comunication and it was doable it all depends on skills with a high ttk its simply impossible good or not it dosent matter

In a low ttk ZERG CANT WIN over skills !

And also grenade flying in planetside 2 wont happen like BF3

People who want high ttk are people who are part of Huge Zerg clans ! or people who want to get shot and after getting shot been able to point out from where and reacts !

Team work covering angles open up your eyes help a lots to not been Jump

they is no point in tactical gameplay if their is a High ttk no matter whats the plan or suprise it will simply fails since the first guys getting shot will run away prevent all their team mates and any sorte of infiltration operation will fails !

Zerg will win and thats it

High ttk favor ZERG gameplay ZERG noob spraying and preying in target in outnumbers so they will always win because more time it take to kill more DPS you need to suceed HIgh ttk = only way to have a good DPS is multiply the numbers of players This MEAN ZERGGGGGGGGG all the way

Also remeber BF3 as 3d spotting so its easy as hell to be spot and be chase

[Stew]

Originally Posted by SKYeXile

...thats a movie.

without interlink radar and now with the maps designed for more skirmish style gameplay its gonna be alot harder for afew people to take on larger numbers. The TTK thing may go either way. you can take down 6 people at once regularly in PS1, how many times have you taken down 6 people at the same time in a tactical shooter? you might be able to if you flank em and get the jump on them, but unless theres stun grenades or something to that effect i cant see somebody waltzing into a room and taking down multiple people like in PS1...maybe a shielded HA with grenades...well see how that plays out.

this map layout is the one who is the most like Ps1 base tigth corridor and few open rooms

http://youtu.be/nxkYhs5IZVU?t=6m4s also this is me and ive been doing the same multiple time in everygame i play with low medium low ttk

[SKYeXile]

Originally Posted by Stew

this map layout is the one who is the most like Ps1 base tigth corridor and few open rooms

not what i had in mind, in PS1 you can walk into a room(aka:CC), solo, with them all shooting at you and you can kill them. most of those guys in the BF3 arnt even aware he's there.

[xnorb]

Stew, i wonder if you're only trolling here ...
Metro ?
Dude, serious ?
Metro is even worse than CoD ...

@TTK:
Both modes got their up- and downsides, but in the end i always prefer
personal skill over teamwork. I hate nothing more than some guys sitting
in a corner mowing down hordes of enemies by simply spraying.
(That's what you see in Metro all the time)

High TTK forces you to place your shots.

Yes, you can react once you are shot at.
What's the downside of that ? Except that if the attacker is a bad player
he will get killed - i could imagine that's what you fear. Losing gunfight
after gunfight because Spray'n'pray or camp-sniping is your thing.


But we'd need to define what low and high TTK is ...
BF3's TTK is way too low. Reduce bullet damage by 25% (in normal mode)
and we're were i'd say it's spot on.

[Stew]

Originally Posted by SKYeXile

not what i had in mind, in PS1 you can walk into a room(aka:CC), solo, with them all shooting at you and you can kill them. most of those guys in the BF3 arnt even aware he's there.

Wrong he take 4 guys in a row with a pistole and those guys were aware he was their also with is LMG while using the bipod they were just no fast enough to take him out first !

Also did you watch my own video ? these guys where aware i was their and guess whats ? they got own all in a row

So yeah and i doubt you willshow me a clip where you take 6 guys in a close room while they all shoot at you lolll proove it to me or take it back

[Toppopia]

Originally Posted by Stew

this map layout is the one who is the most like Ps1 base tigth corridor and few open rooms

http://youtu.be/nxkYhs5IZVU?t=6m4s also this is me and ive been doing the same multiple time in everygame i play with low medium low ttk

So many times me and my friends hold that and the surrounding area and can hold off the advancing enemies till they are all basically spamming rockets and grenades. Thats basically the only way good defenders will be beaten, is being spammed by grenades, which will cost resources so hopefully the enemy will out of those fairly quickly, then it will create epic last stand situations.

[asdar]

I thought the definition of a Zerg was what people complained about when they lost a battle.

Everyone's got skill and everyone else is lucky or cheap.

Play to win, play to have fun.