This game Need FreePlayers in order to suceed stop to trying to limite them to much ! - Page 7

Cuross · 2012-06-30, 04:25 AM

This is the kind of thread that keeps getting bumped all the time, Stew.

The argument here is "Do some things need to be paid for to be used or should everything be free?" I'm going to try to take away all the erroneous facts and play with the issue at hand.

First! Stew, stop spouting out percentages. You might think it makes you look smart, but without proper evidence to support your claims (and the fact that statistics can be used to tell great lies), it really just makes you look arrogant and have no concern for other people's argument.

Second! It seems highly unlikely that outfits will become a paid service anyway! The argument goes both ways. On the one hand, outfits are usually more about the players who want to be more involved in the game than just the regular guilds of other games. BUT they are such a core part of the game that it would be unreasonable to keep that option apart from everyone else. With that aside, chances are we will only see the cash shop to purchase more slots for outfits, not to create an outfit itself.

Third! Higby, with his mighty hair, and his band of miscreants have already stated countless times that you will NOT be able to pay to win. I think it has been mentioned that pretty much everything you can buy on the cash shop you can purchase through Auraxium. Will it take a year longer? Maybe. Will it be totally worth waiting? Most likely. Will you feel compelled to spend five dollars to get it sooner? Definitely. The cash shop isn't alienating free players from paying players, it's just giving some people an option that they can afford.

Fourth! There will definitely be a need for cash shop exclusive items. This is the kind of incentive that the few paying players will have to continue purchasing to support the game ad free. Again as has been mentioned on numerous occasions, you can not pay to win. You just pay for AT MOST a slight, mediocre, almost negligible, mostly unnoticeable advantage. Am I saying that there will be those kinds of items in the cash shop? Absolutely not. I'm foreseeing that all weapons, implants, and sidegrades can be purchased by free to players.

Fifth! And most importantly, no one wants to get rid of the free to players. How many vets will be playing for free? Most of them. How many casuals will be paying for stuff? Many of them. We can not identify any group getting an advantage or disadvantage for anything that will be bought via subscription or Auraxium. There are legitimate reasons for someone to believe that something should be subscription purchase only, or available only to cash shop, so don't blow up in someone's face thinking that it's a totally unreasonable idea or claim. I think that with all the f2p models that everyone has brought up (That includes you, Stew), the PS2 Devs have a great idea of how to get it right.

So please, oh please, let's stop feeding this thread and trust in the Devs to do what's right and not let a bunch of our emotions get in their way. Let's talk about other things in the discussion forum like T-Ray not giving Higby a gun that shoots velociraptors.

Stew · 2012-06-30, 04:40 AM

Originally Posted by Cuross

So please, oh please, let's stop feeding this thread and trust in the Devs to do what's right and not let a bunch of our emotions get in their way. Let's talk about other things in the discussion forum like T-Ray not giving Higby a gun that shoots velociraptors.

i understand all this but as long as i will see those kind of tread spreading the board i will do something agains it because iam oposed to it , so far i know it will ruins the game i want to play for years so ...

I have some trust in the devs team yes but like with Bf3 i did nothing agains those who have ask for a drastic change in the recoils and bullet spread that firnally ruins the Bf3 balistic at launch even if i know it was bad i was thinking the dev would not lisen to those insane feedback about recoils and bullets spread but guess whats ? they have lisen and they have broke the balistic so BAD !

So this time around ill do my best to proove How bad is those idea and try to get the most people to understand why and how it will be BAD !

But i agree with you some stuff have to be exclusive to the cash shop but not anything thats is core and outfit creation is one of them , people create outfit all the time in everygames with their friends and people they know !

The cash shop as to be driven like a market they offer products like cool skins, hood ornaments ,custumisable ligths on the vehicules ,maybe different flash lights color , different sigths with twist in it, camo for vehicules and caracters , helmets ornaments , caracter and symbole custumisation all that good stuff

It will be a offer and a demands you will not be force to pay to enjoy the game but they will offer you some product you can buy and you will freely choose to buy or not ! thats the best way to go

Feeling force to pay to have access for outfits for a exemple is a BAd decision and will hurt some players and will hurt the players based iam 100 % sure of that ive seen many people frustrated about how BLR made people pay for the clans creation ! and most of them do not play this game anymore !

JHendy · 2012-06-30, 06:44 AM

Originally Posted by Stew

skyrims

God damn it Stew...

SKYeXile · 2012-06-30, 06:59 AM

On a random note, has anybody noticed a serve decline in the post quality on these forums in the last 3 or so weeks?

infected · 2012-06-30, 07:01 AM

beating a dead horse since page 1

Aurmanite · 2012-06-30, 08:25 AM

This is such a typical Stew thread.

Discussion starts in one thread.
Stew enters thread and rants on and on.
People disagree and try to reasonably argue his points.
Stew tells everyone they don't understand.
Stew creates another thread on the same topic.
People disagree and try to reasonably argue his points.
Stew tells everyone they don't understand.
Dictionaries everywhere cringe from the all-out assault on the English language.

CaptainZero · 2012-06-30, 08:38 AM

Originally Posted by Aurmanite

This is such a typical Stew thread.

Discussion starts in one thread.
Stew enters thread and rants on and on.
People disagree and try to reasonably argue his points.
Stew tells everyone they don't understand.
Stew creates another thread on the same topic.
People disagree and try to reasonably argue his points.
Stew tells everyone they don't understand.
Dictionaries everywhere cringe from the all-out assault on the English language.

You noticed as well, and would you care to give me a virtual high five?

Hmr85 · 2012-06-30, 08:46 AM

Originally Posted by Aurmanite

This is such a typical Stew thread.

Discussion starts in one thread.
Stew enters thread and rants on and on.
People disagree and try to reasonably argue his points.
Stew tells everyone they don't understand.
Stew creates another thread on the same topic.
People disagree and try to reasonably argue his points.
Stew tells everyone they don't understand.
Dictionaries everywhere cringe from the all-out assault on the English language.

QFT, I have to agree with everything you put there also.

Originally Posted by CaptainZero

You noticed as well, and would you care to give me a virtual high five?

I didn't want to leave you hanging.

Stew · 2012-06-30, 09:45 AM

Originally Posted by Aurmanite

This is such a typical Stew thread.

Discussion starts in one thread.
Stew enters thread and rants on and on.
People disagree and try to reasonably argue his points.
Stew tells everyone they don't understand.
Stew creates another thread on the same topic.
People disagree and try to reasonably argue his points.
Stew tells everyone they don't understand.
Dictionaries everywhere cringe from the all-out assault on the English language.

this is compleatly wrong !

Many people simply dont argue with me, they help me to make my point even more clear but they get ignore

, its not because that some try hard laugh at me and my english level ,or anything just for the sake of trolling me ,that make them arguing reasonably lol

And when i say something, if they disagree i will make a response to whats they say, if i found their is no such reason to think like thats! I will not bow to anything just for the sake of it, if i disagree i will disagree, iam not the Bad one just because i disagree with them and i make a point about it ! And iam jus saying but i certainly dont disagree for the sake of it !

All this take my time, iam doing it because i love planetside, and i want it to suceed, to get the most people in it since planetside isnt that popular, ill give you a way to understand it !

Look at activision title Call of duty black ops 2 look at how many views the trailers and video will have and after that look at planetside 2 video and look at how many view it will have COD will be millions , planetside 2 will be fews undreads or thousands !

Thats said, their is another point Planetside 2 , SOE choose the F2P model many people dont like to play free to play, because they feel they always have to pay to have acess to any single feature of the game ! Soe must make sure that everyones will have acess to all the core and community features if not we are going to loose people before they get atached to the game, is that any good to the game to loose the player based especially in FPS ?

Its not complex to understand and its undeniable rigth ?

Some people donc really care about the overall sucess of the game , some people want planetside 2 to be their game not the game for everyones , some people dont want the (( cod )) players to come in planetside some of them just want to have the game for them and the few others clans , what i said is very true ive seen so much post of people dissing Cod players , free players , Bf players etc..

So... sorry but the success of this game depend all on whats scales we are going to be able to achive ,This game isnt 16 vs 16 32 vs 32 8 vs 8 4 vs 4 ,
its a 2000 players maps with 3 continents to load ,6000 players!

We must realize , COD comunity just on the xbox have most likely 200 000 people at least at once online at the same time , do you realize a game like war hammer space marines have around 100 players MAX at time , also a game like black ligth retribution have few hundreads on EU and NA servers together even if its a free to play ?

If planetside dont have those numbers it will fails , because the game will become mostly and sadly boring to ran on empty servers or continents

So all my mind set that few of you seams to hate is all based on what will make this game sucessfull and i found many people agreeing with me its not because some ignore them that they dont exists !

So the point of this Tread is all about RESPECTING OTHERS FPS COMMUNITY AND BRING THEM TO PLANETSIDE 2 AND ALSO RESPECTING FREE PLAYERS !
Since free players will make the game better and more enjoyable for people like me Whilling to pay many shiny $$$$ to play this game on FULL SCALES !

They will make the game better for everyones and have to have acess to all the core feature and core community features ! Am i wrong ?

Whip Nailed it · 2012-06-30, 10:03 AM

why is there even an argument?

it needs both types of players to survive, i for one will buy things as i think the game will deserve some of my money

Maniox · 2012-06-30, 10:04 AM

>Comparing a kiddie shooter like CoD to PS2
>Says he's not stupid

Stew · 2012-06-30, 10:08 AM

Originally Posted by Maniox

>Comparing a kiddie shooter like CoD to PS2
>Says he's not stupid

WOW man just WOW

Where did i compare COD gameplay to Ps2 ?

I talk about the popularity wich lead to a bigger player based

Planetside required MAssive numbers of players simple as that nothing to do with both game core elements !

I compare a single aspect players based and popularity

sumo · 2012-06-30, 10:29 AM

every free to play game i ever tried have turned me off when i went ingame and saw all the restrictions i had compared to other players. i dont want to feel like im being forced to pay for a game that upfront was advertised as "free to play".

and ontop of that all the f2p game developments i have followed that promised they would not be pay2win actually turned out to be just that...

i could see myself spend money on this game if they make it a great experience, responsive weapons and just a great FPS experience overall.

and i agree with OP.

SixShooter · 2012-06-30, 05:02 PM

Originally Posted by Stew

Ok now serious talk ,

This game as been designed to be play in a 64 KM2 open wold sandbox game with 2000 players on it , Absolutly no games as been designed this way EVER even the first planetside was a skirmish compare to that !

So i see to much disrespect and to much people trying to force, or controle, or limites the FREEPLAYERS based, wich in the SOE plans are suposed to be at least 80 % of the overall players based !

We need them, in order to achive the unprecedented scales we need , so i would like the people in here to stop putting up ideas about limiting the Freeplayers, these people have to be please they have to get atached to the game, and then they will probably spend some $$ down the road on it if they really like their experience, and are atached to the game !

These freeplayers arent just free loaders these people are : IN GAME CONTENTS, they are mostly the ones who are going to populated the game!

Anyones here will mind to play skyrims whiout the NPC everywhere on it ?

Anyones here will mind to play planetside 2 whiout the epics numbers in it ? Since the game have been design this way, it could be a catastrophe to have very low numbers in the open continents !

So Freeplayers will make our experience greater and better, so please stop the limitation crappy ideas, this will not help the game, it will ruins it if the player based is ruins, the game is ruins, simple as thats ps2 is a 100 % online pvp game, no instance ,no PVE contents it depend all on Players contents !

So think about it before starting all those treads about, how to limites the free players, they are the most important players, since they will be the vast majority of the players based so they need to be treated well, if not they will never come back !

Please leave the core features out of the payment discussion all the core features like outfit creation , outfit core options , weapons , atachements , VOIP options , Apps options , leadersboards options , in game options everything thats affect the core experience, as the be left out of the payments models !

Thanks !

I just love how with every Stew post, all sentences must end with an exclamation point.

As for the discussion,

Don't worry so much Stew. The F2P model that they have for PS2 is pretty amazing and I can't see anything there that will discourage anyone who does not want to pay a dime. I think that the population is going to be pretty damn big so I'm not worried about that stuff in the slightest.

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Stew · 2012-06-30, 07:18 PM

Originally Posted by SixShooter

I just love how with every Stew post, all sentences must end with an exclamation point.

As for the discussion,

Don't worry so much Stew. The F2P model that they have for PS2 is pretty amazing and I can't see anything there that will discourage anyone who does not want to pay a dime. I think that the population is going to be pretty damn big so I'm not worried about that stuff in the slightest.

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Iam worried and i have plently of reason to be worried ...

Since i have seen so many games breaking ideas in here its just insane , like i said many people give up those idea to make this game their game , it seams many of them want to controle the new players based who are comming to this game , wich is really BAD .

I will enjoy to play with and agains oldps1 players , cod players , bf3 players , people who pay and people who play for free , i dont make any distinction since everyones have to feel welcome and find their place in this BIG Univers !

I want this game to suceed since i want to play it for years and i dont want to have to face the same catastrophe as planetside 1 if some people here love to figth in half empty servers i do not and its mostly why ive quit playing planetside 1 few years ago !

The players based is more important than anything else

I would like to trust SOE decision but i know some devs can make mistake while lisening to some hard core fans , i saw it how the core fans have ruins BF3 balistic at launch

and same on many others games !

Iam worried and ill be worried as long as those tread about paying for this and thats wich mostly are core elements of the games ! These try hard are trying to limited free players at the point where those will feel their is no place for them in this game , also they will feel this game isnt a free to play,if they follow those idea , it will be a pay to win or pay to do anything !

So the devs have to close their eyes when they see such tread because all i can see in those is a way to ruins the players based

thats pretty much it

Anything thats will improove the players based and the dedictation to the game ill be for it

anything thats can hurt the players based and make people feel hopeless whiout paying for every single features Ill BE AGAINS IT !