Reddit Style Voting for Six Month Plan - Page 7

Assist · 2013-01-24, 09:40 PM

Originally Posted by Vashyo

games today just streamline and over-simplify to meet with the demands of the fickle audience...

Agreed. Games are made to target masses rather than the niche. The problem is the masses don't stay and then they're left with the niche group who are upset the game was made for the masses. This cycle has already occurred for the PS1 vets and now it seems SoE is intent on continuing down this spiral towards a game that in the end no one wants to play.
/shrug

Brusi · 2013-01-24, 10:32 PM

My memory is getting semi-shit in my old age...

Isn't this more-or-less how we ended up with giant unstoppable robot tanks in the original Planetside?

PoisonTaco · 2013-01-24, 11:16 PM

Originally Posted by Brusi

My memory is getting semi-shit in my old age...

Isn't this more-or-less how we ended up with giant unstoppable robot tanks in the original Planetside?

It's also how we got the Holocrons and the Village in SWG.

Helwyr · 2013-01-24, 11:28 PM

Originally Posted by PoisonTaco

It's also how we got the Holocrons and the Village in SWG.

I just have to post to say Holocrons was the lamest gameplay conceived of in any MMO I have ever played. I hope there's no SOE developers that had a hand in that working on PS2.

Archonzero · 2013-01-24, 11:35 PM

Originally Posted by Wahooo

Actually I think most of the negative nelly's who are disgruntled with SOE want the game to improve, and the REASON we are disgruntled is because the lack of depth to the game and lack of a fun shooter.

The nubism comes from all of those who want everything easier. A lot of those people that can't see that the changes they ask for will ruin the game, AND make the more skilled wreck them even harder.

Majority rule is a great concept and works in small groups of people who are representing the larger unwashed masses. Giving every individual voice? Bad idea. I've said it before, SOE needs to listen, but they have to be careful WHO they listen to. Every game company gets flak for not listening to the player base... but most of the playerbase are retards that don't know what is good for them. Those few that have great ideas and actually take the time to think about what effect it will have on the game? I just hope they aren't drowned out.

There's difference to those who are disgruntled that are putting forth constructive ideas to improve the game. Those aren't negative nelly's, those are critics.

The percentage I'm concerned with are the ones that troll the forums only to spit on every idea to expand the games development, strategic depth/end game/fun. Take for example the steams community forum, for every positive thread/post promoting the game, there's about 30-40 posts that continually flame/troll any threads regarding the game, as thought it's their job to see it die a horrid death. They just don't give 2 poops if the game does improve, they want SOE to burn in writhing agony an this game is something they can attack vehemently.

Sirisian · 2013-01-25, 12:26 AM

Originally Posted by Vashyo

I certainly hope ideas that are straight out of CoD or other non-planetside game aren't on the top all the time.[...]

I've been reading comments on reddit and planetside official forums. It's mostly new players asking for stuff that doesn't improve the overall game in anyway. They just want to see some small meaningless little features implemented.

"xXx_MLG360nOscOpeAKIMBo_xXx = I WUNT DUALWIELD!!!!!111111oneoneoneone or I WUNT E-SP0RTS I R MLG winrar!"

I think you might be the one jumping to conclusions a bit. I'm big into having discussions about things. We have multiple dual wielding threads on PSU for instance that cover tons of ideas relating to using both of a player's hands including pistol + med applicator combos among other things. The same for e-sports which is brought up with hundreds of different definitions of how it would be implemented. And that's what it comes down to, implementation.

You're not the only one to jump to conclusions. Brusi just did the same thing when a mech chasis is brought up. I don't think it's useful when a topic is brought up to instantly hone into the worst implementation and discuss that. It would be my hope that when players bring up what they don't want they do it by constructively to see if there is any up-side to having it or if any implementation would destroy the game.

This is another reason I'm weary of a voting system. People rarely read large amounts of text and will vote based on the title.

Roy Awesome · 2013-01-25, 01:16 AM

This isn't about people suggesting ideas, more of us voting and throwing our weight into what they want to do, so that they can prioritize based on what people want and drop things that are wildly unpopular.

EDIT: Secondly, it seems very clear that they just want an opinion. If one of the many things they are going to list off has like a 90% yes vote...I think they are going to focus on doing that first. They don't have to (perhaps one of the lesser votes is technically easier to add), but it's something they can say '90% of our users want this, so lets throw resources at it and get it done before the thing with 70%'.

I'm pretty damn sure SOE is smart enough to realize shackling themselves completely to the results of the vote is a bad idea. They will have to comment and explain how they are using the results of the vote in their actual 6 month plan, but I don't think they will throw out ideas completely unless it does reallly badly (like the AI plans in Smed's 2 year vision) or make a decision purely because of how it performs in the vote.

typhaon · 2013-01-25, 01:39 AM

It's a means of getting feedback... engaging a popular online community. SOE is obviously trying different things and this is one of them.

If "Pandas" gets the highest score - I doubt SOE is going to put them in the game... it's just another tool, among many.

NewSith · 2013-01-25, 04:50 AM

Originally Posted by Mordelicius

PLEASE, no implementation of E-Sports this early. Please!

I'm hoping that's not what it meant, because that's how I'm reading it.

The Ultimate Empire Showdown is an e-sport. Modeled partially after what's in my signature. Nevertheless, today is the day and we will all be waiting for what we shall see in the 6 month plan.

Ohaunlaim · 2013-01-25, 04:55 AM

If they ask the players to vote on what is next and provide a list of things they already plan to be in game, then I see no problem with this.

If they ask the players to provide ideas for content and then ask us to vote on said propositions then the first patch will have phallus guns. The second, mammary grenades.

EVILoHOMER · 2013-01-25, 06:04 AM

Why do they keep using Twitter, it is shit.

140 characters or whatever......... like why place that stupid restriction?

OnyxD · 2013-01-25, 06:08 AM

The reddit voting system of discussion is preferable to a basic threaded forum system ( like this one ) due to standard forum threads getting easily derailed by trolls. Forums like this are too prone to being swayed and led by a small minority of forceful ego's. They get shit up too easily by the noisily opinionated.

SOE have stated they are not going to be bound by the new system, just guided. As long as they keep this firmly in mind I believe it's a good idea.

Bloodlet · 2013-01-25, 10:27 AM

I fail to see the problem.

Crator · 2013-01-25, 10:33 AM

Why couldn't they just provide this voting system on the game launcher? If what they are going to propose to the players are ideas the DEVs have come up with and it's a YES or NO answer for the players, why not just ask the question outside of a discussion forum?

NewSith · 2013-01-25, 10:34 AM

Originally Posted by Crator

Why couldn't they just provide this voting system on the game launcher? If what they are going to propose to the players are ideas the DEVs have come up with and it's a YES or NO answer for the players, why not just ask the question outside of a discussion forum?

Check pages 2 and 3, there's a lot of reasons why.