*sigh* Still havent seen Matrix 2...

[ZionsFire]

This is one of the worst threads i have ever seen.........no wait it
is the worst thread i have ever seen

[WildEagle]

I concur

[Onizuka]

Tek dragon, you talk too much. And im suprised your even literate when you speak, a) because the drugs have screwed up your brain so bad and we can obviously see that and b) the white stuff stuck to the lining of you nose is falling in your mouth and jamming your vocal cords.

Listen i dont give a damn what immoral stuff you do, yes i believe its immoral. What i do give a damn about is that you say it doenst affect anyone else. thats bs and you should know it.

When that person who doesnt where a seatbelt dies, think of what their family goes through. think of other people than yourself and your facts (blah i got this on the sat blah blah nipple blah why dont you say any facts wheres your backup blah blah blah). You dont know what ive gone through and the people who have been screwed up because of drugs. Fine if the gov. makes marijuana legal, they do it. It would be a bad idea though.

Your too naive and when you stop being naive is the day you will stop doing drugs.

No i dont think your a bad person or a crazed depressed phsyco, but i do think what your doing is and can affect other people.

I dont care what freakin medical benefits it has because if it is used the wrong way, they are all screwed.

Im a little pissed off by your whole arguement and your whole approach to even doing drugs. I dont care what you do to yourself, but i do care that your making an arguement that generally says, "drugs are okay, they are actually good for me. I do tons of Marijuana and my grades keep going up and up. Im not affecting anyone, if anything im helping society by showing that drugs are not bad"

Again, please realize what your saying and i hope you will stop (which i dont think that will happen but oh well)

[Squeeky]

Onizuka! Quiet, you can't agree with me, or else you will be a fanboy! (joking for people who dont know)

[Onizuka]

No, stop im going into the land of hamma fanboyism and there is no coming back ahhhhh.

Oh so you have the same or nearly same views as me on this subject eh hamma?

[Dyganth]

It's a sorry soul that needs to get high to enjoy something, add to that research has shown the same risks of smoking weed as smoking cigarettes, so when you get cancer, all I can say is that you deserved it.

[Khronos]

sry i just have to do this

[TekDragon]

Onizuka, thank you.

Where Dio and Powerflux failed through mindless flaming and juvenile thread judgement.. where Squeeky failed through narrowminded bigotry... you have managed to make an intellegent post.

It dropped into flames quite often.. but im guilty of the same and connot judge. I will pick out the intellegent counterpoints and attempt to respond.

My only request is that you read all of my responce with an open mind. Then respond to any points you believe are falicious.

When that person who doesnt where a seatbelt dies, think of what their family goes through.

Here, i belive, you are making a fallacy. You are relating a death to marijuana use. Quite simply, it is impossible to overdose (OD) on marijuana. That is one of the primary reasons it is a level 4 drug. The other reason, Onizuka, is that the addictiveness of marijuana has never been proven. Almost all independent studies have shown that their is NO physical addiction. The only addiction is psychological.. the same way people are addicted to good food and great sex.

Your plea for pity for the families is a good one, but its off base. Why would a family suffer because a brother or sister or teenage child used marijuana? There is only one logical reason: They would suffer because of the police supression.

That brings me straight back to the orginal point i made. People, like you, have the mindset that using marijuana is 'dangerous'. The ONLY reason marijuana is dangerous is because the government MAKES it dangerous. I wont go into how much of your taxes go into inefectual rehab (for marijuana patients, i do not doubt the necesity of coke/heroin rehabilitation) and jail cells for marijuana users. All of that despite the stunning lack of proof that it is dangerous.

Yes. My family may cry because I use marijuana. They will NOT cry because it has hurt me directly. They will cry because the government punished me for it. Think on that for a moment please.

You dont know what ive gone through and the people who have been screwed up because of drugs.

Can you honestly say it was for marijuana use? I, too, have friends that were marijuana users that got, as you put it, 'screwed up'. However, it was not from the marijuana. It was from the shrooms, the LSD, the acid, the E. These drugs DO affect the brain. They DO cause permanent damage. Those were what 'screwed up' those people i once considered my friends.

Unlike the government, however, and unlike you.. i do not lump it all together. I could easily say that breathing oxygen caused my friend to spiral down. After all, he did breathe oxygen, you cannot deny it. I recognize the drugs that did him harm. I choose not to use these drugs for the same reason. I refuse to lump marijuana into the same classification just because some ignorant politicians 20 years ago decided to lump it in with cocaine and heroin (and only through years of medical studies has it been moved away).

I dont care what freakin medical benefits it has because if it is used the wrong way, they are all screwed.

I think were having a misconception. When i mention "medical studies" im not talking about medical studies related to medicinal use of marijuana. Im talking about medical studies that show that marijuana does NOT have permanent (mental) side effects.

I encourage you to do some independent research on the topic. You will find research from such high profile institutions as John Hopkins and Harvard Medical, just to name some of the high profile US ones.

Using cocaine screws you up. Yes. Using heroin screws you up. Acid. Yes. Exstacy. Yes. LSD. Yes.

Marijuana. No.

Dont take my word for it. Take the international medical communitys'. Please.

Im a little pissed off by your whole arguement and your whole approach to even doing drugs. I dont care what you do to yourself, but i do care that your making an arguement that generally says, "drugs are okay, they are actually good for me. I do tons of Marijuana and my grades keep going up and up. Im not affecting anyone, if anything im helping society by showing that drugs are not bad"

I staged my information in the wrong way. I apologize if what i said guided you to the wrong conclusions. I never meant to say smoking marijuana in high school improved my grades. I was already an 'A' student. The one thing i did say that i meant was that my homework and project grades improved.

Its hard to explain to a non-smoker. When your high.. you get a different perspective. You accept things easier. If you have a project you dont like... getting high helps you accept it. If you did 5 pages of homework and feel like you cant do anymore... getting high gives you an "might as well" perspective that lets you do it.

Some people like to point fingers at marijuana users that fail their classes. They fail to notice that those same students were failing before they smoked.

Smoking marijuana neither hinders nor helps your intellegence. It merely changes your perspective. In my life, it has helped me numerous times. It gave me the willpower to finish key assignments. It gave me the patience to avoid getting in several unpleasent situations in my life that i would have, otherwise, gotten into if i had been more quick tempered. It also, in my very first female relationship, gave me the patience to give instead of focus on recieving... the result of which landed me a loving girlfriend.

You see all that, and you may think im being pompous. Im not. Its all true.

Ill tell you this though. I do get scared. I get very scared. I dont get scared of losing my brain... no. I dont get scared of losing my judgement... no. I get scared that "the man" is going to arrest me and ruin my life for my personal choice to smoke marijuana.

That, Onizuka, is why I support legalization. That, is why i oppose ignorance and prejudice on the topic of marijuana, its affects, and its legal status.

I eagerly await your reply (and anyone else who has any comments pro/con). Please keep it rational and logical, thanks.

[Squeeky]

That is not a post, it is a book. Get it published pronto

[TekDragon]

That is not a post, it is a book. Get it published pronto

Please read it Squeeky?

Just once.. in this entire 100+ post thread... just once id like you to respond in an intellegent way. Pick any of the points i made, just one, or 2, or all of them. Take the point, analyze it, listen to what i stated.. and reply.

Youve flamed me, insulted me, and sparked a series of other flames. All I ask is that you, for ONCE, respond in an intellegent manner.

[BladeRunner]

[Yuyi]

Originally posted by TekDragon


Just once.. in this entire 100+ post thread... just once id like you to respond in an intellegent way. Pick any of the points i made, just one, or 2, or all of them. Take the point, analyze it, listen to what i stated.. and reply.

Youve flamed me, insulted me, and sparked a series of other flames. All I ask is that you, for ONCE, respond in an intellegent manner.

[TekDragon]

Originally posted by BladeRunner

[Dyganth]

Quite simply, it is impossible to overdose (OD) on marijuana.

Would you not asphyxiate if all you inaled was the smoke from burning marijuana? I would call that an overdose...

I, too, have friends that were marijuana users that got, as you put it, 'screwed up'. However, it was not from the marijuana. It was from the shrooms, the LSD, the acid, the E. These drugs DO affect the brain. They DO cause permanent damage.

So you're saying marijuana doesn't affect the brain, yet you state later that it changes your perspective(note definition b.) on things, I find it hard to believe that your perspective on things can change without some change in the mind, feel free to prove otherwise, or tell me I read it wrong.

You say it has helped you many times as well, but that just shows you have to hide your flaws with drugs and are afraid of being yourself, you're only hurting yourself in the long run.

[ZionsFire]

riiggghhhtttt TekDragon makes me