SmedBlog: eSports Support

[Sunrock]

Originally Posted by ThGlump

You picked sports that are far away from similar. From golf you should switch to minigolf, but its really more like going from one car racing to another car racing. something that has similar or almost same base mechanics. You can switch because you like new one better, but you will still miss something you were used to. And if enough new players will miss that too, they could change it.

Ok lets use the racing car analogy then. If Planetside is like F1 racing then Counter strike (that has an e-sport around it) is like rally cross. Now if you drive rally cross and is #1 you would still not have a chance in hell to get a F1 car around the first corner without any schooling in how to drive a F1 car first. And even after learned how to drive a F1 car you still would suck at it until you get some real experience driving it.

Now if we where going to dumb down the F1 car to be able to drive like a rally cross car we would not have a F1 car would we?

Here is Richard Hammond explaining how hard it is to drive a F1 car.

PS: I maybe should show what rally cross is for you americans as it's not a car sport that exist over there.

[Goblin]

Originally Posted by Sunrock

That is a really bad argument IMO. If I play golf and then decide to pickup bowling instead. Do I start to demand that they will change the rules of bowling so it would be more like golf? No I would not. If I changed my game from golf to bowling I would do that because bowling as it was played before I started to play it was what I wanted to play.

Actually, yours is the bad argument.

A game is a product. Sports are not. Companies want to incorporate features into new products that people want. A better comparison would be a new car model having the latest aribag technology even though some people dislike airbags. Imagine that the entire car is free and the airbag is optional to install.
Can you think of a reason someone would be offended by this? What would the reasons be for that? I can think of a couple:

1. They are afraid of the notion of the airbag, even though it's optional.
2. They are ignorant about the whole matter and don't wish to be reasonable.
3. They have an arrogant sense of entitlement.

(Moderator Note: The above is not an insult to anyone in the forums, but answers to the hypothetical scenario above it.)

I personally feel that the devs adding support for a feature that is not forced down anyones throats isn't really somthing we should be bitching about at this point.

[Stardouser]

Originally Posted by Goblin

. Imagine that the entire car is free...

I am not disagreeing with your overall argument, but to the extent you may be making this comparison to a free car because planetside 2 is "free 2 play", free2play is really a misnomer, but even if it were truly "free 2 play", if the game doesn't turn out the way a person hopes, then it's not accurate to say that because the game is free, you didn't lose anything just because no money was spent, but instead, if the game doesn't turn out playable in accordance with a person's tastes, it's actually a huge loss to that person. That is, someone looking forward to a real MMOFPS game, if this one is unplayable for them, then they are stuck waiting and hoping another company will come along and do one. I am not aware of any other real PC MMOFPS games coming out or even in development, except for Firefall and Defiance which appear to be PvE focused.

And I'm saying the above as a general statement, not specific to PS1 vets, but obviously a PS1 vet is a lot more likely to take issue with PS2's decisions than others. And I would like to point out that as an Everquest veteran, I'm fairly certain that Everquest Next is going to put me in the same position that PS1 vets are in, that is, saying that it's only Everquest in name and theme but not in gameplay - I certainly don't look forward to that.

[Goblin]

Hell YES to esports.

It's just a chance for smaller outfits to fight eachother without outside influences. And hopefully with some kind of reward.

I can't see it affecting someone who does not participate all.

Exept of course for those occasions that onle little squad of competitive players decides to play some vanilla ps2 and repeatedly mass murders your whole outfit while drinking your delicious tears.

[SeanNewBoy]

Sure, never been dork of the week but im sure i can muster up the bad records.

[Electrofreak]

Anyone who plays EVE Online and watches the Alliance Tournaments should have a pretty good idea of what Esports could look like in PlanetSide. It allows competitive players an opportunity to compete in a tournament that matters (prizes and awards!), allows interested players to watch streaming matches for the sake of entertainment and self-improvement, and allows uninterested players to not give a flying fuck and not really be affected in any way.

If PS2 follows a similar route, it shouldn't be a problem.

[ThGlump]

Originally Posted by Goblin

It's just a chance for smaller outfits to fight eachother without outside influences. And hopefully with some kind of reward.

I can't see it affecting someone who does not participate all.

Originally Posted by Electrofreak

It allows competitive players an opportunity to compete in a tournament that matters (prizes and awards!), allows interested players to watch streaming matches for the sake of entertainment and self-improvement, and allows uninterested players to not give a flying fuck and not really be affected in any way.

Oh it will affect those who dont want to participate. It will affect them in the same way how PS1 died. By taking away enemies to shoot at.

[Goblin]

Originally Posted by ThGlump

Oh it will affect those who dont want to participate. It will affect them in the same way how PS1 died. By taking away enemies to shoot at.

Vanu Infiltrator: I was gonna stab you dude but it looks like we're alone on the server.
TR medic: Yeah, looks like everyone is off playing that DAMNED ESPORTS!

Yup, totally sure that's gonna happen.

[Revanmug]

Originally Posted by Goblin

Vanu Infiltrator: I was gonna stab you dude but it looks like we're alone on the server.
TR medic: Yeah, looks like everyone is off playing that DAMNED ESPORTS!

Yup, totally sure that's gonna happen.

If we could put the people that can't read on an isolate island and leave them to die, it would be glorious.
The VIP tracker ain't there to be pretty ya know...

This is the exact reason why I said I wouldn't comment until further detail. ESport is so vague and different for people that throwing that up can mean soo many things. Smed just prove that point. For many, eSport just mean matchmaking. For others, it mean tools to make watching and analazing a possibility which is what Smed is talking about and I am fully behind that.

Who in their right mind is against more tools given to the player?!

[Arcsilver]

How would it be bad to have a tournament held on a private server every once in awhile featuring 2 outfits?? How often would an esports game take place?

Not only that, i really doubt it would affect the main game. it would play on a server away from the rest. Also, how cool would it be to send a drone strike down in the middle of one of those games...

[Shamrock]

Originally Posted by Electrofreak

Anyone who plays EVE Online and watches the Alliance Tournaments should have a pretty good idea of what Esports could look like in PlanetSide. It allows competitive players an opportunity to compete in a tournament that matters (prizes and awards!), allows interested players to watch streaming matches for the sake of entertainment and self-improvement, and allows uninterested players to not give a flying fuck and not really be affected in any way.

If PS2 follows a similar route, it shouldn't be a problem.

Couldn't agree more, the E-Sport element of EVE is totally self contained and a periodic event that is live streamed. It has a very low impact on the game while being a good promotional tool that is entertaining to the player-base.

[Kordoyn]

As posted previously, I think the EvE method would truly be able to shine here in PS2.

It would in essence be a very small fraction of what the game is about, much like it is just a sliver of EvE. But it would be quick, entertaining, and challenging.

Rewards could range from station cash, to custom skins, guns, vehicles, etc for the winning team.

It's tough to compress what is essentially an impossibly vast and deep gaming experience into something presentable as an e-sport, but I don't think showing 500 v 500 battles which rage for hours is conducive to entertaining a viewer base. At least not live.

That said, condensing an 8 hour battle into an edited segment with nice camera pans, and quality commentary lasting about an hour might be a solid way to show off the vast scale of the game, while at the same time actually progressing the action at a pace reasonable enough to watch in a single sitting.

[ikon]

i personally would like to see counterstrike style of planetside 2 esport (except it would be on a much larger scale. thinking 48people since that's how big groups will be)

yes you can only die once but allow medic rezzing

take peoples characters to a completely new server, give them a specific target(base's good for that # of people).

have a money system similar to cs that allows purchase of vehicles,weapons, etc
give them all implants unlocked and somehow manage certs.
gain money from successful assaults/kills/vehicle kills, etc.

allow a planing stage, give them the ability to create an assault plan and a defense plan.

give a few minutes of start up time for defenses to be set up, people to be set, vehicles to be purchased.

allow the rest of the population to select the server and watch as observers ( free floating cam or wuteva)
allow platoons to customize their groups, easily know who they are by their looks

could go up to more people(96 or 144 or bigger)

[super pretendo]

Originally Posted by ikon

i personally would like to see counterstrike style of planetside 2 esport (except it would be on a much larger scale. thinking 48people since that's how big groups will be)

yes you can only die once but allow medic rezzing

take peoples characters to a completely new server, give them a specific target(base's good for that # of people).

have a money system similar to cs that allows purchase of vehicles,weapons, etc
give them all implants unlocked and somehow manage certs.
gain money from successful assaults/kills/vehicle kills, etc.

allow a planing stage, give them the ability to create an assault plan and a defense plan.

give a few minutes of start up time for defenses to be set up, people to be set, vehicles to be purchased.

allow the rest of the population to select the server and watch as observers ( free floating cam or wuteva)
allow platoons to customize their groups, easily know who they are by their looks

could go up to more people(96 or 144 or bigger)

You should probably play another game

[NewSith]

Originally Posted by super pretendo

You should probably play another game

I really don't understand why people are so negative to the esport thingamajiig. Basically EVERY multiplayer game there is, including MMultiplayerO games has that eSport implemented or figured out one way or another.

This only makes me think that people who are against it only played PlanetSide and no other games. Hell, even, Minesweeper IS an eSport.

EDIT:
https://www.google.com/search?q=mine...r+world+record