Planetside 2 - ESport?

[Fuse]

Originally Posted by Xaine

Thank you Malorn, for providing a constructive reply.

The other two children who posted and managed to fit all their thoughts into about 6 words in a one sentence dismissive reply i'm gong to ignore.

Expected better from Bags.

There is no win condition in Planetside, i think outfits would appreciate a way to directly compete with each other as they can't in any other way. Not in an even field.

This actually happened in Planetside 1, where two outfits would fight over a base away from the main fight on another cont. Why not make it structured.

I was thinking of a comprehensive reply, but the OP is apparently just a jerk.

Bad idea, doesn't work, move on. Learn how esports titles work.

[StraitDumpinSMF]

Major League Gaming hosted 3 MMOFPS tournaments for the game M.A.G. a few years back. I won a few hundred bucks in Sony Style gift certificates for their head shot tournament. The three tournaments were based upon highest number of kills/experience/head shots over X amount of time.

Now they can definitely do something similar to this for PS2, with enough demand.

However, I think we should aim higher. Something cooler and way more realistic, like:

MLG Anaheim 2014 - PS2 Tournament
Featuring 3x fully customized one-thousand-man sound proof booths filled with a total of three thousand of some of the worlds finest gamers (you) squaring off in what's never been done before. A three thousand man 24-hour battle. With a prize pool of.. 2 millio.. wait 10... fuk it, $1 BILLION DOLLARS!!!

Boom, get onboard or gtfo.

[Barlowkin]

I love this game to death because it is not structured. We, the players, structure it through the chaos of war that we create. I want to be able to fight the terrible Terran Republic and the baddies of Vanu as a Nations. Not small clans. THIS IS WAR, not skirmishes.

[Fuse]

Originally Posted by StraitDumpinSMF

Major League Gaming hosted 3 MMOFPS tournaments for the game M.A.G. a few years back. I won a few hundred bucks in Sony Style gift certificates for their head shot tournament. The three tournaments were based upon highest number of kills/experience/head shots over X amount of time.

Now they can definitely do something similar to this for PS2, with enough demand.

However, I think we should aim higher. Something cooler and way more realistic, like:

MLG Anaheim 2014 - PS2 Tournament
Featuring 3x fully customized one-thousand-man sound proof booths filled with a total of three thousand of some of the worlds finest gamers (you) squaring off in what's never been done before. A three thousand man 24-hour battle. With a prize pool of.. 2 millio.. wait 10... fuk it, $1 BILLION DOLLARS!!!

Boom, get onboard or gtfo.

Unless you live in Korea, there simply isn't the support base needed for the scale of events PlanetSide would require.

[Notser]

Outfit wars will be in the game at some point, believe higby liked the idea and stated it is a great way of comparing outfits. But lets look at successful e-sport titles, there is really only Starcraft, Dota, Counter-Strike, and Fighters.

Reasons for success
- Limited Team Sizes, being able to watch 2 people play one another really increases the variety of the tournaments and reduces the money required to support players who could earn thousands of dollars over the course of one weekend. Travel expenses and team sizes will limit sponsor interest.

- No silly e-sport rules applied to maintain competition, all the successful games really don't require any weird rules to undermine the vanilla gameplay

- Easy to Understand, set attack/defend paths and obvious wins and loses through healthbars/objectives/army destruction. Makes it easy for spectators to understand the general goal of each match.

- Short games, even Dota games are barely watchable when we have games that last for 40 to 60 min.

I played in a battlefield 1942 tournament setting where teams consisted between 20 to 32 players and that was insanely hard to support with hundreds of players per side. It is just really hard to sustain teams that are larger then 5 people, 5 v 5 isn't planetside.

All for outfit wars, hell having some sort of matchmaking built into the game for variety would be awesome. Could be a great way to introduce players to planetside in a setting that is more familiar such as a COD sized map with objectives with two teams pitted against one another.

[Rumblepit]

i told ya it would happen.

[brighthand]

Originally Posted by Rumblepit

well this is how it works, they make up the rules, not soe, they decide weapons, not soe, they decide on the number of player, not soe, they decide how many matches and what kinds of matches will be played, not soe. so in a turney you mite see 10 vs 10 nanite wepons only, no tech, death match,secure, resecure, so on so forth. if they pick it up none of you can do anything about.


its simple really, if there is a compitive aspect to the game, which we know for 100% that there will be it wil be looked at. and if its worthy then its on!!!!!!

...Just like DICE took out commander, not EA? DICE sped up the pacing to match COD, not EA? DICE reduced the number of classes, not EA? DICE "lowered the threshhold" not EA? and so on and so forth? Bf3 is the best example of what we are talking about currently. And if you look at the series' history, you will see that the developers, under the heavy hand of EA, were forced to change the game to be something that it was originally never intended to be, (because EA wanted to take out COD- a game that battlefield should not even have been compared to), and thus it turned into trash. This fear runs rampant today in many people because of the very real possibility that such a travesty can befall -your- game, and that is why there is such protest here against these types of changes; if implimented, the results will likely be detrimental.

[sagolsun]

Originally Posted by brighthand

...Just like DICE took out commander, not EA? DICE sped up the pacing to match COD, not EA? DICE reduced the number of classes, not EA? DICE "lowered the threshhold" not EA? and so on and so forth? Bf3 is the best example of what we are talking about currently. And if you look at the series' history, you will see that the developers, under the heavy hand of EA, were forced to change the game to be something that it was originally never intended to be, (because EA wanted to take out COD- a game that battlefield should not even have been compared to), and thus it turned into trash. This fear runs rampant today in many people because of the very real possibility that such a travesty can befall -your- game, and that is why there is such protest here against these types of changes; if implimented, the results will likely be detrimental.

The bad PR SOE got was from incompetence at worst. The PSN thing was a kick in the balls and made them look like fools. And while SOE and Sony BGM are different things, I remember you used to bundle rootkits with your audio CDs.

But that's Sony - big company, sometimes people make really dumb decisions. EA on the other hand is outright evil and malevolent all the way down. Hell, they've even managed to beat Activision in the bad PR department. They were voted worst company in America. It's as if John Ricitello was branwashed into trolling it's customers and driving the company into the ground.

Please don't compare SOE to EA. It's like comparing Richard Nixon to Pol Pot.

[Comet]

Richard Nixon was framed by the CIA.

Discuss.

[NewSith]

Originally Posted by Comet

Richard Nixon was framed by the CIA.

Discuss.

While it's obviously breaking the forum rules the point of this post I support. We already have 2 giant threads discussing the issue, and it all comes down to saying the same things over and over again.

Also I'd prefer discussing The Dark Knight Rises. The first time I see a sequel of sequel that clearly surpassed the first movie. And the second one too.

[Cutter]

There i no such thing as "esports". There just isn't. Making money to play video games is sweet and all but it's not a sport.

[HitbackTR]

PS2 just like PS1 is not an e-sports title. IF you want e-sports go and play COD, T:A etc. Quit trying to make PS2 into a clone of other major titles such as BF3 etc. As someone who is yet to get into beta my eagerness is fuelled by my want to engage in roving persistent battles , not numerically defined, strictly structured matches between teams. The former is what PS1 offered and delivered upon and I hope that PS2 can offer the same. If it doesnt there is no attraction for me. For instance, to engage in a battle against a numerically superior foe on the fly is what made PS1 unique and you wont get that with an e-sport format being introduced to PS2.

To The devs: Think about what made PS1 unique in the first place; think about what made players play it for hours on end. You need to recreate that feeling and add to it where you can to improve upon that. Adding an e-sport format, (and npc's for that matter) is not how to do this and will be another example of a mistake, i.e., adding BFR's, that SOE have made because it will ultimately detract from the experience that you, SOE, are trying to provide to the player. If you are going to do this SOE you may as well set your own wallet on fire, to save the players from doing it.

In PS1 having the freedom to do as you chose was celebrated and a natural extension of that was playing informal TOD's for bragging rights. This is the only example of something within Planetside that bears a faint resemblance to e-sports, and thats the way it should stay, If it aint broke don't fix it.

[brighthand]

Originally Posted by Comet

Richard Nixon was framed by the CIA.

Discuss.

LoL!

[Rumblepit]

Originally Posted by sagolsun

The bad PR SOE got was from incompetence at worst. The PSN thing was a kick in the balls and made them look like fools. And while SOE and Sony BGM are different things, I remember you used to bundle rootkits with your audio CDs.

But that's Sony - big company, sometimes people make really dumb decisions. EA on the other hand is outright evil and malevolent all the way down. Hell, they've even managed to beat Activision in the bad PR department. They were voted worst company in America. It's as if John Ricitello was branwashed into trolling it's customers and driving the company into the ground.

Please don't compare SOE to EA. It's like comparing Richard Nixon to Pol Pot.

. this can be a issue, but the changes made would only effect the outfit wars system. not the core combat gameplay. leagues would make their own rules.

[Brusi]

Originally Posted by Malorn

PlanetSide 2 - Massive Combat... on a private server... between two clans.

You're killing me!

China VS U.S. VS Europe