Fact: I play BF3, but would rather play PS1 - Page 8

Saieno · 2012-04-14, 08:18 PM

Originally Posted by Tialian

Hell, I would sub for another month today but D3 is coming out next month and the wife wants to take a vacation before. I sure am glad subscriptions will soon be extinct, they are a major road block to people who just want to play casually.

TERA seems to be doing quite well. Here's my character by the way

Tialian · 2012-04-14, 08:19 PM

Originally Posted by ArmedZealot

Eve online has a peak user count of 50k+. It's not even a F2P game. That is what success is.

You will also notice the Eve also have devs that care and continue to update the game while PlanetSide does not.

Big difference there.

Tialian · 2012-04-14, 08:21 PM

Originally Posted by Typwn

TERA seems to be doing quite well. Here's my character by the way

Looks like humpty dumpty trying to protect himself from his next fall.

ArmedZealot · 2012-04-14, 08:21 PM

Originally Posted by Tialian

You will also notice the Eve also have devs that care and continue to update the game while PlanetSide does not.

Big difference there.

PS1 tried to update their game, it was called Core Combat and BFR's. But bittervets like you whined and moaned at them because they didn't fit in with your idea of fun. Bittervets killed PS1.

And here yall are again threatening to quit a F2P game before it's even in beta.

Tialian · 2012-04-14, 08:25 PM

Had to add another one to my original post: Empire loyalty.

Empire loyalty is a big deal, after PS1 release when servers started to merge empire loyalty went out the door and had a detrimental effect on immersion. People would see their empire was losing so they would switch to the winning side.

Stardouser · 2012-04-14, 08:25 PM

Originally Posted by ArmedZealot

True but you can get a feel for what gameplay decision appeals to more people based on how many times or how long a player is involved in the result of said decision.

BF3 went with iron sights. You spend 90%-Way too much% of gameplay in iron sights shooting people, it's an FPS. It'd be a safe bet to say BF3 is partially successful because of iron sights.

PS2 is an MMOFPS based on teamwork and large engagments, battles and firefights. Gameplay decisions that affect those are a big deal.

Vehicle animations do not affect those to any significant degree. So I agree with all your last points wholeheartedly.

I actually feel that vehicle animations do affect at least some of those things. Apparently we're going to have a BF style of "you run engineer so you jump out of your tank to repair". That kind of thing happens in combat, BF3 players are not going to want to have to die during animations while hopping out. Whether you should be put at risk by the animation is subjective, but I'm just saying, it does affect firefights, at least firefights with vehicles.

Also, when you say "iron sights" I think what you mean to say is the "aim down sight" mechanic. Even when your rifle has a red dot scope, or a 4X scope, or a holographic sight, you still aim down sight when you're using a scope. With that said, ADS is industry standard now. I don't think anyone wants hipfiring(which is what we say you are doing if you are not ADSing) to be the dominant gameplay mechanic. Otherwise we would be regressing to Quake and Serious Sam.

Tialian · 2012-04-14, 08:27 PM

Originally Posted by ArmedZealot

PS1 tried to update their game, it was called Core Combat and BFR's. But bittervets like you bitched and moaned at them because they didn't fit in with your idea of fun. Bittervets killed PS1.

And here yall are again threatening to quit a F2P game before it's even released.

Yes Core Combat was a bad idea, and BFR's were an even worse idea. That's what happens when a company like SOE tries to cash in on a small success.

SOE killed PS1, not the players. In the aftermath SOE devs went extinct and SOE continued to charge a subscription for a game they no longer supported.

And no one is threatening to quit a game, I am threatening not to buy it if they don't build it right.

ArmedZealot · 2012-04-14, 08:27 PM

Originally Posted by Stardouser

I don't think anyone wants hipfiring(which is what we say you are doing if you are not ADSing) to be the dominant gameplay mechanic. Otherwise we would be regressing to Quake and Serious Sam.

You just said the wrong thing in the wrong forum buddy.

ArmedZealot · 2012-04-14, 08:29 PM

Originally Posted by Tialian

SOE killed PS1, not the players. In the aftermath SOE devs went extinct and SOE continued to charge a subscription for a game they no longer supported.

Because the bittervets didn't want anymore support. They wanted the same game to stay the same. What do you expect a company to do when you tell it that it does shit work.

Stardouser · 2012-04-14, 08:32 PM

Originally Posted by ArmedZealot

You just said the wrong thing in the wrong forum buddy.

Hipfiring and getting good accuracy and recoil control isn't realistic. It's amazing how people can ask for realism in one mechanic but not the next. I don't mean that you are doing this, I just mean that a lot of people are citing realism in many of their requests here. But sometimes realism concerns get abandoned.

While I can guarantee you that you will find support for vehicle animations throughout the gaming world, having hipfire only and some kind of "zoom" is not supported. That one you simply won't win, even if every single PS1 vet rose up in unison and asked for it.

Tialian · 2012-04-14, 08:34 PM

Originally Posted by ArmedZealot

Because the bittervets didn't want anymore support. They wanted the same game to stay the same. What do you expect a company to do when you tell it that it does shit work.

People didn't want the game to be the same, they wanted the devs to fix things that weren't quite balanced...which they attempted to do several times but not until after they released poorly thought out expansions.

Does a game have to have expansions in order to be good? I sure don't think so. If a game is fun its fun, if its built right it shouldn't need expansions just to stay fun.

ArmedZealot · 2012-04-14, 08:35 PM

Originally Posted by Stardouser

even if every single PS1 vet rose up in unison and asked for it.

They do. Its quite bad. http://www.planetside-universe.com/s...ad.php?t=38481

Bittervets will be bittervets.

ArmedZealot · 2012-04-14, 08:37 PM

Originally Posted by Tialian

People didn't want the game to be the same, they wanted the devs to fix things that weren't quite balanced...which they attempted to do several times but not until after they released poorly thought out expansions.

Does a game have to have expansions in order to be good? I sure don't think so. If a game is fun its fun, if its built right it shouldn't need expansions just to stay fun.

Eve releases expansions quarterly. New content, ships, space. Everything that SOE did with Core Combat, Eve has done with it's universe. The difference was the community.

Games grow boring and old. Some age better than others. While PS1 did better then the rest of it's generation. It's time to put it into the ground.

Tialian · 2012-04-14, 08:43 PM

Originally Posted by ArmedZealot

Eve releases expansions quarterly. New content, ships, space. Everything that SOE did with Core Combat, Eve has done with it's universe. The difference was the community.

Games grow boring and old. Some age better than others. While PS1 did better then the rest of it's generation. It's time to put it into the ground.

Eve really didn't release expansions, they released updates. The huge issue with PS1 and its expansions is that once released it was like impossible to un-release. Shit was in the game and no one could do anything about it.

PS1 is an awesome game to this day, even with the crappy expansions. But of course without it's immersion elements it wouldn't be in a class all its own.

ArmedZealot · 2012-04-14, 08:45 PM

Originally Posted by Tialian

Eve really didn't release expansions, they released updates. The huge issue with PS1 and its expansions is that once released it was like impossible to un-release. Shit was in the game and no one could do anything about it.

I don't think EVE has ever rolled back its expansions. The only difference between an expansion and an update is that you usually have to pay for an expansion. Eve's expansions have always been significant enough to be called more then an update. And some have come under flak but they still went with them.

Without vehicle entry/exit animations it would be exactly where its at. In its death throes, with PS2 about to come and finish it off.