Free Speech or Hate Symbol? - Page 8

Navaron · 2003-02-20, 05:40 PM

"The sum of money for transport to America back then was quite high, not quite worth 5-10 years of labor, but still significant. So an indentured servant is technically compensated labor."

That is easily the most flawed argument ever. If you kick my ass, drag me to France, and make me work till I've paid off the thousand dollar ticket, I'm still fucked. I'm pretty damn sure they'd have rather been back at home. "Compensation" or not.

The problem is that we have a lot of people here who are ignorant of the South's beliefs back then. They think that they learned everything about the south in 5th grade. I've seen the this thread become replete with inaccuracies. I'm not gonna try and prove them wrong because even FACTs are refuted by them. It's ''cool" to slam on the south as a bunch of red necked, hillbillies, slurring their words and taggin their sister. It's also apparently "cool" to be completely ignorant of the facts.

If there were no slaves, the war still would have been fought. If you take slavery and sovereign rights out of the equation, I say the wrong side one. We'd all be a lot wealthier, safer, and better off generally. The whole damn war was about states rights, which we no longer have.

Arshune · 2003-02-20, 05:56 PM

Originally posted by {BOHICA}Navaron
That is easily the most flawed argument ever. If you kick my ass, drag me to France, and make me work till I've paid off the thousand dollar ticket, I'm still fucked. I'm pretty damn sure they'd have rather been back at home. "Compensation" or not.

Indentured servants signed a contract and willingly came over, they weren't forced to do anything...whether they regretted it later or not isn't my problem, they still got paid.

I agree, slavery wasn't really what the civil war was about. Like most problems that are around today, this belief came from the news media (the news media that was around in the civil war I mean). Abolitionist newspapers sensationalized the war and turned it into something it really wasn't. You can even find quotes of Abraham Lincoln saying that he did what he did to preserve the Union, not for anyone's benefit.

We would not be better off if the South won though (if they won and conquered, that is), only a very select few of us would be affluent. That's how it is with any system of civilization that involves money. In fact, we'd probably be a third world country by today's standards because the South HEAVILY favored agriculture over industry. We'd all be farmers and we probably wouldn't even have enough factories to manufacture the kinds of things we use every day (computers, cars, etc.).

Sputty · 2003-02-20, 06:03 PM

The U.S. is often not as debative as I'd hope. NOt because of any reason other than everything should be challenged with opposing points. No matter what it is. If they weren't, hardly a democracy IMO. Canada, a little too challenged...while at the same time the anti-globaliztion people are the same people in Washington who piss me off., I saw a "documentary"(All "documentaries" aren't impartial. Always just show one side and never the other) on them and they gave no reason why they're against it. It was so annoying. A bunch of modern hippies with no reason other than anti-americanism. This was all on the summits in Quebec. It pissed me off so much. Seriously..WQTFdnkjnfdsfsafd//...That bneing said, I think that in a controlled environment everything should be debated. That being said sometime the US can try to use "patriotism" to explain everything and make politicians afraid to debate. NO real reason to post this other than the fact this talked about human rights and I was thinking of the summit and it turned into this. BTW, I really do hate those pieces of nkfandk....Anyway..the responsibility stuff reminded me of this. Also, some Countries can get too divided and protesty like Canada has gotten. Unluckily, they're all violent protesters and then complain when they're gassed after throwing molotov cocktails at police and charging them. Also, I hate the separatists. WTF..."Economic" reasons...My ass..They jyust drove off all the Enlgish businesses and made their economy worse. Also, terrorism isn't nice..anyway...FUCKCUFCKFUC..Fuck, I always get pissed by "docs"