So is the Prowler going to suck like it did in PS1? - Page 8

Figment · 2012-03-16, 04:44 PM

I just have to laugh at the people ignoring that there were quite a few Prowler outfits around...

Please, would someone, using NUMBERS show that the Prowler was worse? Show damage tables, show something.

Half of the ones saying the Prowler sucked have not brought up any good argument why and are completely hinging their argument on the false assumption you need the 15mm to outdamage other tanks. If you are agoing to lie, at least support it with evidence.

BuzzCutPsycho · 2012-03-16, 04:45 PM

Originally Posted by Figment

I just have to laugh at the people ignoring that there were quite a few Prowler outfits around...

No there weren't.

Firefly · 2012-03-16, 04:46 PM

Originally Posted by Figment

I just have to laugh at the people ignoring that there were quite a few Prowler outfits around...

We also said GOOD Prowler outfits.

Yeah. There were. They managed to roll two or three Prowlers, on one night a week after people cleared their schedule. Or it was a theme night with big outfits.

BuzzCutPsycho · 2012-03-16, 04:48 PM

Ah yes. Well, I only care about the good outfits so it's entirely understandable on why I'd forget about them.

Figment · 2012-03-16, 04:55 PM

Hey Buzz, done trolling yet? And perhaps you lot are ready to come up with an actual argument?

Firefly · 2012-03-16, 05:02 PM

Sure, Figment. I tell you what. I'll do you one better.

Originally Posted by Figment

Please, would someone, using NUMBERS show that the Prowler was worse? Show damage tables, show something.

Half of the ones saying the Prowler sucked have not brought up any good argument why and are completely hinging their argument on the false assumption you need the 15mm to outdamage other tanks. If you are agoing to lie, at least support it with evidence.

Please, would someone, using NUMBERS, show that the Prowler was better? Show damage tables, show something.

Half of the ones saying the Prowler was best have not brought up any good argument why and are completely hinging their argument on the false assumption that you don't need the 15mm to outdamage other tanks. If you are going to make shit up, at least support it with evidence.

Now what?

Fortress · 2012-03-16, 05:05 PM

The fact that you guys don't understand that the sole purpose of the MBT in the waning years of Planetside was to camp doors is proof that you guys haven't played in years and are nooblords.

Firefly · 2012-03-16, 05:08 PM

Originally Posted by Fortress

The fact that you guys don't understand that the sole purpose of the MBT in the waning years of Planetside was to camp doors is proof that you guys haven't played in years and are nooblords.

We already knew that, but thanks for contributing a sum total of jack and shit to the discussion on whether or not the Prowler was a better tank than the Vanguard or Magrider. Try to keep on-topic, Einstein.

Fortress · 2012-03-16, 05:09 PM

Prowler is better at camping doors. Prowler wins.

That was not a hard conclusion to make.

Figment · 2012-03-16, 05:18 PM

Firefly, those numbers have already been shown in this thread. On several occassions. Ignorance is not bliss, it's just stupid and deliberate self-delusion in this case. Would you like to confirm Buzz' statements though? You know, the person who thinks a Thunderer shell is fast and accurate?

Given his observations on that, I'm sure you find his judgment highly trustworthy?

**Malorn** · 2012-03-16, 05:28 PM

Originally Posted by Figment

You know, the person who thinks a Thunderer shell is fast and accurate?

When I played it certainly was fast and accurate, especially compared to tank rounds. When PS was still conceptually in its prime that was true.

However the effectiveness of the Thunderer really isn't the topic of this discussion.

Fortress · 2012-03-16, 05:31 PM

And one more thing: "Good" MBT outfits?

My God, it's like walking into a Planetside Museum and viewing the "Years Before Everyone Was in a Reaver" exhibit.

Skitrel · 2012-03-16, 05:31 PM

Proving the prowler was worse is easy using numbers. 6 people required to operate 2 prowlers, 4 people required to operate any other tank.

Scale up and do the math, it'll show very quickly that they're ridiculously outnumbered in even battles because the enemy has far more tanks. More tanks means more shots fired at once, meaning more deaths before getting more volleys off.

It meant fewer enemies could have an even fight against TR.

Figment · 2012-03-16, 05:31 PM

Prowler perfect TTK on Vanguard (100m guns only):
4500/300 damage = 15 hits (clipsize: 20) => 15 * 1 second rof = 15 seconds

Vanguard perfect TTK on Prowler (150mm gun):
4000/450 = 8.9 ~ 9 shells (clipsize: 10) => 9* 2 seconds rof = 18 seconds

Magrider perfect TTK on Prowler (Railbeam only):
4000/215 = 18.6 ~ 19 shells (clipsize: 25) => 19 * 1 second rof = 19 seconds

Prowler perfect TTK on Magrider (100 mm only):
3500/300 = 11.67 ~ 12 shells (clipsize: 20) => 12 * 1 second rof = 12 seconds

So. Questions?

Skitrel · 2012-03-16, 05:36 PM

Yeah. Scale it up. 1v1 battles are irrelevant. You are not applying force of numbers to a game where 1v1 battles weren't the norm.