PS2 confirmed to only have servers in one area of USA - Page 8

SKYeXile · 2012-06-12, 10:49 PM

Originally Posted by Phellix

I don't even..

hes right, i dont know about fully killing somebody before they know what hit them, but you can certainly kill somebody before they react or given 200ms ping, kill them before you get the packet of their reaction.

Turdicus · 2012-06-12, 10:50 PM

Maybe they've invested in quantum tunneling server technology. Vanu tech would explain this decision

Kran De Loy · 2012-06-12, 11:02 PM

Wow.. this thread is just.. wow...

Okay so first off, yes having all the servers in the NA in one place is a very bad idea. Because it's a very bad idea Bags wants to up awareness about this Very Bad Idea. And I completely agree that having them all in once place would be a Very Bad Idea. Getting awareness of the choice up is a good thing if only so that SOE accountants don't get blind sided if the decision to save money and only buy space in one location for the servers doesn't work out.

From here on I'm more on the sides of NO ONE ELSE except maybe the Aussies or the Euros that want to play on NA servers.

Pings, packet loss, jitter, excreta, excreta.. are only conditions based originally from that original point which imo isn't actually the issue.

I should say that I live about 100 miles north of San Diego, but I using both speedtest.net and pingtest.net sites I get pings to Austin TX at 65ms, 0 Jitter (w/e that is), Brooklyn NY at 98ms 1ms jitter, and Chicago IL at 76ms and 2ms jitter, and Maidenhead, England at 186ms and 1ms jitter.

I frequently play Source based FPS games (which supposedly are notoriously bad at networking) and anything with less than 200 I'm fine. When it goes over 120-150 it's annoying but livable, and again that is with a game built with a supposedly terrible networking base code.

I can see that some people are more sensitive to ping than others and I'm seriously not trying to be rude here, but seriously stop being such fucking babies about it. So what you're more sensitive to higher ping just means that you've got more twitch than other people.

Also I know that some people aren't reading this post anymore because I was suddenly rude, but telling Kaffis and Electrofreak off for actually trying to help alleviate your worries, even if it was done in such a way as to possibly be taken as rude only reenforces the image that you're just being a bunch of spoiled whiny brats.

Edit: Sometimes you need to be a complete asshole to get people to see reason and honestly I hate doing that. :/

DerFurst · 2012-06-12, 11:08 PM

Hoping at least one person from SOE is reading these posts. It'd piss everyone off if we found out they're taking more feedback from "THE BEER THREAD" than something important like this.

PlaceboCyanide · 2012-06-12, 11:14 PM

I despise playing with 130+ ping, being on the east coast that will really really suck.

Tarconus · 2012-06-12, 11:15 PM

Originally Posted by Kran De Loy

I can see that some people are more sensitive to ping than others and I'm seriously not trying to be rude here, but seriously stop being such fucking babies about it. So what you're more sensitive to higher ping just means that you've got more twitch than other people.

First off your "twitch" is your reaction time. Ping is how quickly you see something on your screen, then the twitch comes in. So the person with low ping and low twitch is going to be on a much better ground than anyone else.

Second, your ping is based on your connection and how your isp routes traffic not everyone's situation will be the same.

Lets put it this way me and you have the same reaction time, or "twitch" to a car stopping in front of us. We set up one car to have the break lights turn on after 50 ms of pressing on them and the other one after 200 ms of pressing on them. Who is going to stop before hitting the car and who is going to hit the car? That's what ping is it's not how fast you react to the situation it's seeing it before the other player does.

Madlaps · 2012-06-12, 11:24 PM

Funny thread, when Aussies post "we want Aussie servers" all the americans say "suck it up" etcetc

When it happens to you guys...

Revanmug · 2012-06-12, 11:24 PM

Originally Posted by Kran De Loy

I can see that some people are more sensitive to ping than others and I'm seriously not trying to be rude here, but seriously stop being such fucking babies about it.

Oh really? you almost got me there! Almost! Continue your good work and you will fool me!

Originally Posted by Kran De Loy

So what you're more sensitive to higher ping just means that you've got more twitch than other people.

Also I know that some people aren't reading this post anymore because I was suddenly rude, but telling Kaffis and Electrofreak off for actually trying to help alleviate your worries, even if it was done in such a way as to possibly be taken as rude only reenforces the image that you're just being a bunch of spoiled whiny brats.

Edit: Sometimes you need to be a complete asshole to get people to see reason and honestly I hate doing that. :/

And what is wrong with people nowaday?! You got used to crap. Well good for you but I refuse to eat shit like you would.

This a valid complain that wouldn't affect anybody in a bad way btw. You get a good ping next to san diego, perfect! Opening a server on the east coast doesn't change that...

If sony decide that this "issue" is not important enough to affected them negatively, then so be it but I will have said my piece and will simply not play. You got a probleme with my standard that has no affect on you?

Tarconus · 2012-06-12, 11:26 PM

Originally Posted by Madlaps

Funny thread, when Aussies post "we want Aussie servers" all the americans say "suck it up" etcetc

When it happens to you guys...

Hey I want servers everywhere. I feel bad you guys get shafted so much.

WNxThentar · 2012-06-12, 11:26 PM

Originally Posted by Bags

http://www.planetside-universe.com/s...&postcount=101

When I play on West Coast vs East Coast WoW servers I get 150 vs 82 ping.
When I play on West Coast vs East Coast TF2 servers I get 120 vs 20 ping.
When I play on West Coast vs East Coast BF3 servers I get 100 vs 30 ping.
When I play on West Coast vs East Coast PS1 servers I get 130 vs 60 ping.

I have no idea where these servers will be located, but since SOE is located on the west coast I imagine they will be west coast. I am making this thread to get some answers hopefully (that prove me wrong) and to bring awareness of this serious issue.

I don't see why they would take a step backward and only have servers in one section of the country, when modern games like WoW, BF3, TF2, and old games like PS1 had servers across the country, allowing everyone to have good ping.

Now if the servers will be located in central US that will be better, but again I'd rather make ruckus now in case they are planning to have them all west coast, since RadarX doesn't think that moving servers around the country helps.

I was really hoping for some central servers at the very least, so my friends and I who are scattered around the country could all play on the same server with decent pings. Now it seems all of us easterners might get shafted.

Because comparing a PS2 server farm to a BF3 or TF2 is like comparing your wrist watch to my Intel i7 32g ram NVidia 480 SLId machine with 23" alienware 3D monitor.

WoW does have a few data centres but PS2 isn't a BF3 / TF2 game where ping is the be all end all. CSHD curbs this out. Trust me I live in Australia. If ping was an issue I would't be able to play at the best of times.

WNxThentar · 2012-06-12, 11:32 PM

Originally Posted by Tarconus

Hey I want servers everywhere. I feel bad you guys get shafted so much.

The problem is people don't understand how the game works and many haven't even played PS1 so they are complaining about shit they don't understand.

PS2 would suck if its region based. Sure you get better ping but ping isn't that important in PS2 as it is in other FPSs because the engine has been designed for global play in mind. Add to this if you region the servers then you'll have massive waves in the amounts of people on the servers where if you have a global community it is all ways peak time for somebody and more importantly you don't come back 12 hours later to see the entire cont has been hacked by a small team of people, almost unchallenged, simply because they have no job or work shift work.

Kran De Loy · 2012-06-12, 11:35 PM

Originally Posted by Tarconus

First off your "twitch" is your reaction time. Ping is how quickly you see something on your screen, then the twitch comes in. So the person with low ping and low twitch is going to be on a much better ground than anyone else.

Second, your ping is based on your connection and how your isp routes traffic not everyone's situation will be the same.

Lets put it this way me and you have the same reaction time, or "twitch" to a car stopping in front of us. We set up one car to have the break lights turn on after 50 ms of pressing on them and the other one after 200 ms of pressing on them. Who is going to stop before hitting the car and who is going to hit the car? That's what ping is it's not how fast you react to the situation it's seeing it before the other player does.

Annnnnnd continuing your same why am I riding the bumper of the car in front of me?

Higher Twitch often times dictates a person's play style. That's perfectly fine and I respect people with high reaction times (since I don't have it) I'm just saying that people that keep going on about ping has to be under 100 or bust are just spoiled by their own good skills and rely too much on it. This reliance allows them to put themselves in compromising situations more often than someone with a slower reaction speed would ever allow themselves to get into.

Honestly ping under 100 is only beneficial to people with high twitch or people with a lot of foresight. The later of the two do well in any situation.

Kayos · 2012-06-12, 11:36 PM

If anyone is actually interested in Lag Compensation this is an article from Valve that explains a bit more about it.
It's actually a pretty interesting read.

https://developer.valvesoftware.com/...g_compensation

Scroll to the top of that page to learn more too.

Tarconus · 2012-06-12, 11:37 PM

Originally Posted by WNxThentar

The problem is people don't understand how the game works and many haven't even played PS1 so they are complaining about shit they don't understand.

PS2 would suck if its region based. Sure you get better ping but ping isn't that important in PS2 as it is in other FPSs because the engine has been designed for global play in mind. Add to this if you region the servers then you'll have massive waves in the amounts of people on the servers where if you have a global community it is all ways peak time for somebody and more importantly you don't come back 12 hours later to see the entire cont has been hacked by a small team of people, almost unchallenged, simply because they have no job or work shift work.

Ping always matters, better ping means you see stuff on your screen before the other person. unless they slow data going back out to everyone the person that gets the data quicker, ping, will have an advantage.

Tarconus · 2012-06-12, 11:39 PM

Originally Posted by Kran De Loy

Annnnnnd continuing your same why am I riding the bumper of the car in front of me?

Higher Twitch often times dictates a person's play style. That's perfectly fine and I respect people with high reaction times (since I don't have it) I'm just saying that people that keep going on about ping has to be under 100 or bust are just spoiled by their own good skills and rely too much on it. This reliance allows them to put themselves in compromising situations more often than someone with a slower reaction speed would ever allow themselves to get into.

Honestly ping under 100 is only beneficial to people with high twitch or people with a lot of foresight. The later of the two do well in any situation.

It's benificial to everyone, how soon you see something on your screen effects how soon you start reacting. That means a lot in a shooter not so much in a hot key mmo.

Plus relying on your good skills? WTF everyone relies on their skill there will be people that are better then you and worse then you, should you just not let people use any weapons if they kill to many people.