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2003-06-10, 01:08 AM | [Ignore Me] #107 | ||
Tek in another flame war. Why am I not suprised?
Anyway, yes smoking pot is illegal. Whether it's moral or not will depend entirely upon who you ask since pot smoking really doesn't fall into the black and white part of right and wrong.
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Happy lil' Elf, now Santa approved. -Immortalis Vita Its eating it's food. (Incorrect use of apostrophes specifically for UV) "Oni wont get banned, unless you get banned. Its a 2 man ticket."-Hamma to TekDragon re: his request to ban Oni. Life is good. |
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2003-06-10, 01:30 AM | [Ignore Me] #108 | |||
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Whoa, this thread got farther than I thought. I was usre it was going to be locked in ten minutes.
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2003-06-10, 01:44 AM | [Ignore Me] #109 | ||||||||||||
Gah, Hypocricy at it's best. I flamed you? I simply stated that smoking marijuana is fucking stupid, because it is, i also said i would wipe my ass with any PM you sent me but thats not too harsh is it? oh, and i also told you to read a high times mag but you probably already do. I never called you fucking stupid, go re-read my post's and then appologize and i may forgive you for your jumping to conclusions and hypocritical ways.
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2003-06-10, 01:46 AM | [Ignore Me] #110 | |||
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Not to fight his battles for him, but this is a principle, here.
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2003-06-10, 02:14 AM | [Ignore Me] #111 | ||||||||||
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you argue very well, but it is all facts and no human heart. In the end, you will regret it IF you continue your actions. *yawns* oooohhh that was tiring. EDIT: oh and squeeky got you back good. ouch that must of hurt you mindlessly rambled about swinging a bat or some kind of crap like that, and say how stupid or "ignorant" squeeky is. All he had to do was quote you, not use a lot of words, just quote. Very very powerfull
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2003-06-10, 08:55 AM | [Ignore Me] #113 | ||||
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2003-06-10, 09:32 AM | [Ignore Me] #114 | |||
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Oh, and Squeeky? The difference between my flames and your flames is simple. You started it. Thats the first point. The second point is that my flames are all defined by your actions. You acted in a close minded, bigoted, prejudice manner (see above quote). I call you out on it. Only in the loosest manner could that be called insulting. Im merely defining your charachter through your actions. There were a few moments that i lost my temper and called you a vulgur name (ass-hat comes to mind) but i think i should be allowed that when you consider the fact that: --YOU started this debate --YOU opened it up with a bigoted, prejudice, unintellegent post --YOU refuse to respond to ANY of the points on the original topic you started the debate on. --YOU continue to use "straw man" tactics to avoid responding to the topic. I wrote out a rather long essay on marijuana use and its affects and legal status. I asked you to respond to it. What did you do? You went back, pulled up some quotes by me, posted them, pretended you were a great moral person that was feeling slighted, then ran with your tail between your legs. Ok Squeeky. Now i am going to insult you. You are a pussy and a coward. You either dont have the intellegence to debate on a logical, intelectual level.. or your so imature that you get your jollies off sparking debates and then running. Im thinking its a bit of both Last edited by TekDragon; 2003-06-10 at 09:35 AM. |
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2003-06-10, 10:13 AM | [Ignore Me] #116 | |||||
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Onizuka, good. Were getting close to something here. You asked some good questions and made some good statements. Your going in the right direction, your just on the wrong road.
Lemme see here...
Marijuana (specifically THC) has a cut off level. You can ONLY get SO high with marijuana. Once you hit that level, adding more THC to the blood does nothing (except help prolong the current high). I almost never smoke to excess. I know the high i enjoy (and can maintain proper social functions) and i dont try to go over it. I had read about the 'cut-off' several times and i always wondered if it was true. I can say with authority that it IS true. On a trip to Amsterdam (my grauduation present, a trip to Czech Republic to stay with my GF. Dont think i went to europe just for amsterdam) me and my best friend had a bit of friendly competition. We kept trying to one up each other on how much weed we could smoke. Keep in mind amsterdam marijuana is VERY potent. Well, we hit our max highs about 30-45 minutes into it. We werent getting any higher and our throats were getting dry. We kept going for another 15 minutes and STILL werrent getting any higher so we figured fuk it and we went out and chilled on the main strip. Does that explain anything?
Cocaine is illegal because it has a proven addiction and is very easy to overdose on. Some (not me, but im close) would say it should NOT be illegal because it only harms yourself. I disagree for the simple reason that cocaine addictions will cause people to lose all sence of judgement in their quest to get more. Thereby impugning on other people's freedoms. You seem to think that marijuana is morally wrong for two reasons: 1. The government told you it was illegal. 2. The fact that the smoke harms you. Ill start with the first one. The government told you it was illegal. For you to just simply accept this without thinking is the height of human evil. God gave you a brain. He gave you a concience. USE IT!!! Dont simply accept the hand outs. We BOTH know that murder is wrong. We accept it. We BOTH know that shoplifting is wrong. We accept it. But tell me, is not wearing your seatbelt wrong? Who am i hurting? Myself? Whats next Onizuka? Will I find cops patrolling the drive through at McDonalds because its not healthy? Will I suffer further blows to my freedom to be allowed to choose whether or not i wish to smoke cigarettes (i dont, i detest the habit.. but thats not the issue) simply because some liberal legislature wants to outlaw billboard signs for Winston? You may laugh and say "Nah, your going in the wrong direction". Im not laughing Onizuka. Its people like YOU that are making these laws happen. People like YOU that blindly accept what the government says and doesnt question it. It is your moral responcibility to question what the government gives us. Thats why this country is so great.
As for doing harm to the body... it has been proven inside and out, backwards and forwards, consitently and thouroughly that cigarettes and alcohol have MUCH greater risks to your health. Smoking a half pack of cigarettes a day (i know ppl who do 2 packs) were putting 4x to 5x more carcinogens in their lungs than people who smoked marijuana daily. Shall I go quote the numbers of people who die in accidents because they didnt have their seatbelts? I shodnt have to. We both understand why the seatbelt law is unconstitutional. The same reason having cops patrolling the McDonald's drive through lane would be unconstitutional. Onizaku it seems to be you keep going in circlular logic. Your main argument as to why marijuana is bad is because the government says its illegal. Since the government says its illegal that makes it bad. Since its bad the government made it illegal. Since the government made it illegal it means its bad. Since its bad the government made it illagal. etc.. etc.. etc.. Its circular logic, one of the most easily recognized and ludicrous fallacy in debate. This same logic is why the Nazi party became so strong. People simply accepted what the government told them. Now PLEASE dont think im saying our government is like the 'National Socialist' party. Im merely comparing the same side of the coin, only on a much lower scale. The Nazi government made **** illegal. That makes **** bad. Since **** are bad the Nazi government made them illagal. No. No. and NO!!! Stop thinking with your government issued school textbook filled with the words of ignorant politicians who wodnt know the first thing about medicine. Start thinking with your head. Do some research. Hell, go out and TRY marijuana (just be careful and do it in a smart way). Anyone here that has tried marijuana will attest to the fact that theres NOTHING wrong with trying it once... so long as you do it in a personall safe way (taking into account our government laws). Marinate on that. Ill be back in a bit. |
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2003-06-10, 10:19 AM | [Ignore Me] #117 | |||
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Oh, and about the moral decision of smoking marijuana. If your willing to take the government's word on everything that is moral or not. How about the bible?
Even the christian bible mentions marijuana smoking, and condones it. I have to admit i cant go in and pull out the exact quote but i remember having a debate on it in college bible study. Heck, how the hell do you think Moses saw a burning bush? Thats not even marijuana. Thats halucinagens, very prevalent during that time. Ever read cliffnotes on the Koran? Studied buddhist philosophy? They all mention marijuana as a way of attaining spiritual enlightenment. Im not saying i think itll get you closer to god. Personall i find that hogwash. But i do think the point should be made that if your gonna go on "morals" why not go to the source of US morals: the Christian religion. [Edit]
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2003-06-10, 10:24 AM | [Ignore Me] #118 | |||
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Ill go back to joining the other posters talk about masturbation, which movies suck-ass more, and the ever-prevalent random outburst threads. If till make you happy. |
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2003-06-10, 10:35 AM | [Ignore Me] #120 | ||
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First of all, i dont like getting off topic to answer something as inane as an your original post.
But honestly. If you had the patience or reading level to read those posts you would see its not spam. They are thought out, logical points. Would you like me to edit the thread title to have a warning on it that says "This thread contains posts over 2 sentences"? What was the point of you even coming in here and saying that? You cant be that bored. |
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