Free to download?

[Crator]

Originally Posted by Rumblepit

i would really hate to see this game be free to download. i would like to think they are leaning toward a hybrid f2p model. if not ???? well we all know what the outcome will be.

We know the potential of what the outcome could be... I'm going to give SOE the benefit of the doubt on this one for now.... I'm sure we will all have a field day if major game breaking hacks like the ones we saw when PS1 had the Reserves program emerge....

[Rumblepit]

i know the older f2p fps games are hard to compare to the new ones. the way they were coded and designed years ago made it very easy for the script kiddies to run wild.there will always be hackers in games, some more then others, all we can do is make their life hell....

owning hackers
just in chase your wondering, it only took 2 days to get the footage. hackers EVERYWHERE.

[Rumblepit]

Originally Posted by HtSgtMAD

LOL, I have been divorced twice, I have been called far worst than "asshat" in court by a lawyer that I ended up paying for in the end so if you want to try to get under my skin you better leave that weak sauce shit at home.

never the less none of this changes the fact that if you pay for something is it not considered free.

I haven't called you any names or really flamed you at all, in fact i just keep making the point and you cannot come up with a decent enough argument to convince anyone else that you are correct.

i dont need too, im right.... why have a argument with a person who is clueless.

Even now, Microsoft is rumored to be entering the F2P space. According to several articles (cited at the end), Microsoft is considering two types of F2P games. The first types are microtransaction games, and the second types are freemium games whose full content are accessed to paying customers. Supposedly, the new Xbox 360 OS update is supposed to lay the foundation to allow microtransactions with Microsoft Points through game menus and shops. I figured this was going to be implemented when Nexon’s Dungeon Fighter (another F2P game) was announced for 360, but apparently that is not case. We’ll just have to wait and see.

http://www.pcworld.com/article/23107..._xbox_360.html

just a article on a couple of the different types of popular f2p models.

like i said before , its just the name of the business model.

[Xyntech]

Originally Posted by Rumblepit

i dont need too, im right.... why have a argument with a person who is clueless.

Even now, Microsoft is rumored to be entering the F2P space. According to several articles (cited at the end), Microsoft is considering two types of F2P games. The first types are microtransaction games, and the second types are freemium games whose full content are accessed to paying customers. Supposedly, the new Xbox 360 OS update is supposed to lay the foundation to allow microtransactions with Microsoft Points through game menus and shops. I figured this was going to be implemented when Nexon’s Dungeon Fighter (another F2P game) was announced for 360, but apparently that is not case. We’ll just have to wait and see.

http://www.pcworld.com/article/23107..._xbox_360.html

just a article on a couple of the different types of popular f2p models.

like i said before , its just the name of the business model.

Neither of those charge money at any stage to start playing. Fremium only requires money past a certain point, with some F2P games having the option to bypass paying anything if you're willing to grind a lot.

Buy to play is what most FPSs are. B2P is not F2P.

B2P = box price and no subscription. Most games are B2P so it's not a common term. Just invented to distinguish from P2P and F2P.
P2P = subscription, usually with a box price on top of it, but not always. Most MMO's obviously used to fall into this category.
F2P = start playing the game without spending a single solitary penny. Vanity items may cost money (cash shops), or sections of the game may require a subscription fee (freemium), but a player can keep playing at least some part of the game forever, without paying anything.

[SgtMAD]

and i thought this thread was going to die off,the guy writes whole essays yet still can't refute the basic principle that if you pay for something it isn't free.

it is funny thinking about how much effort and research he is putting into these walls of text he keep posting,finding that new link that is going to "show those ppl that I am right"

when you go shopping and once you have selected whatever it is you are there to buy, walk up to the clerk and pay for it,do you thank them for letting you use that for free?

because if it is a piece of clothing or any number of other things for sale these days,once you pay for it you can wear it or use as much as you like,kind of like if you paid for PS2 and then got to play it for free.

so by definition(yours) everything is free if it doesn't come with a monthly charge after purchase,sounds pretty stupid when you type it out like that,doesn't it?

[Rumblepit]

Originally Posted by Xyntech

Neither of those charge money at any stage to start playing. Fremium only requires money past a certain point, with some F2P games having the option to bypass paying anything if you're willing to grind a lot.

Buy to play is what most FPSs are. B2P is not F2P.

B2P = box price and no subscription. Most games are B2P so it's not a common term. Just invented to distinguish from P2P and F2P.
P2P = subscription, usually with a box price on top of it, but not always. Most MMO's obviously used to fall into this category.
F2P = start playing the game without spending a single solitary penny. Vanity items may cost money (cash shops), or sections of the game may require a subscription fee (freemium), but a player can keep playing at least some part of the game forever, without paying anything.

lol i didnt write the article... tell them that. they can call this one the free to trial model.it falls under the f2p model because you can download an play it for free. but if you want to play the full game you must pay... its a f2p hybrid.

[Rumblepit]

Originally Posted by HtSgtMAD

and i thought this thread was going to die off,the guy writes whole essays yet still can't refute the basic principle that if you pay for something it isn't free.

it is funny thinking about how much effort and research he is putting into these walls of text he keep posting,finding that new link that is going to "show those ppl that I am right"

when you go shopping and once you have selected whatever it is you are there to buy, walk up to the clerk and pay for it,do you thank them for letting you use that for free?

because if it is a piece of clothing or any number of other things for sale these days,once you pay for it you can wear it or use as much as you like,kind of like if you paid for PS2 and then got to play it for free.

so by definition(yours) everything is free if it doesn't come with a monthly charge after purchase,sounds pretty stupid when you type it out like that,doesn't it?

dont you have to be in divorce court or something?

[Xyntech]

Originally Posted by Rumblepit

lol i didnt write the article... tell them that. they can call this one the free to trial model.it falls under the f2p model because you can download an play it for free. but if you want to play the full game you must pay... its a f2p hybrid.

Right... and I'm failing to see your point in regards to the PS2 discussion.

You download the game... free. You play the game... free. Potentially, in some games, you upgrade to more content at a cost. That's F2P.

To make your case, you need an example of a F2P game where you first have to pay money to download/acquire the game, and then you can play it for free from then on. Because isn't your whole argument that Planetside 2 may still have a cost to purchase, while being subscription free afterwards? That isn't F2P. You won't find an example, because that isn't what's called F2P. That has never been called F2P, at least not in any publicly accepted way.

If SOE intends to release Planetside 2 with an initial purchase cost, they'll have to start marketing it as something other than F2P, because F2P = you can start playing the game without ever paying money.

Isn't that your concern? That hackers will be able to get into the game and start cheating it up without ever paying anything? How does a freemium tier affect that? Premium players would still be subject to the hacking of those free tier players.

Now the question of whether hacking will be an all pervasive problem, or a contained nuisance, is another topic entirely, but this discussion is about PS2 being free to download or not. If SOE is marketing the game as F2P, and if SOE has any idea what F2P means to the gaming world at large, there won't be any mandatory cost involved in downloading or playing the game.

[Hamma]

Originally Posted by Rumblepit

dont you have to be in divorce court or something?

The personal attacks between you two have to stop or I will begin issuing infractions.

I believe this is the point where we "Agree to Disagree"

[SgtMAD]

I haven't called this guy anything and i haven't attacked him personally, its not my fault he can't see the folly of his argument.

if these weak ass attacks is all he can come up with then I am fine with letting this run its course

[Rumblepit]

Originally Posted by HtSgtMAD

I haven't called this guy anything and i haven't attacked him personally, its not my fault he can't see the folly of his argument.

if these weal ass attacks is all he can come up with then I am fine with letting this run its course

there is know folly in my argument, there never was.f2p hybrid

SOE plans to include a subscription model for those who fancy access to what Matt calls ‘premium features’, but I’m already sold on the idea of sticking with my chosen vehicle for the long haul. I relied on my Reaver in PlanetSide, and grew into the cockpit until it became a part of me. I was unhappy with my feet on the ground in Auraxis. The idea of plugging months’ worth of advancement into my Reaver, earning cannons and rockets and countermeasures and targeting systems (and all the things I wished I could tinker with back in 2003), is a prospect that thrills me like little else in gaming. Having known PlanetSide, Matt understands me. Now I know PlanetSide 2, I think you’ll understand my excitement too.

[SgtMAD]

so the point you are trying to make is that there will be a sub if you want to pay for it.

the option to pay a sub instead of having to buy things ad hoc out of the cash shop doesn't change the fact that if we are forced to buy the box then the game isn't F2P.

I am not required to buy anything out of the cash shop nor am I required to pay any sub to play,those are options left to the individual player and if I am not required to buy a copy of the game to play then it is F2P

[Tasorin]

Three Words: All Points Bulletin

If want to know what utter failure in a F2P model looks like, look no further.

Frankly SOE's track record sucks.

They have managed to make epic failures in PlanetSide 1, Star Wars Galaxies, and Everquest 2. Until SOE can show that they have their house in order, can deliver a AAA Title that doesn't utterly stink at launch, and manage to support a AAA title for more then 6 months before they completely bork the game into oblivion, then I will have some restored faith in them.

Until them, I am left wondering if I am going to get on another SOE train wreck or not.

[Coreldan]

I think APB has a fantastic F2P model for the most parts, thanks to how well the game suits the model even if it wasnt designed as such.

No pay2win, money is made out of cosmetics or different/unique weapons (that arnt better than their non-paying counterparts). The game is all about customization of your character and car that's how they make a pretty sweet buck without implementing pay2win.

The only complaint I have about it is prices of some things that are quite crazy.

What do you find so bad about APBs F2P model?

[Hamma]

I think SOE's track record with recent F2P experiments have been rather successful.