Do planetside players have legit concerns or do they just hate to evolve?

[lawnmower]

Originally Posted by Toppopia

Becuase A) having to aim down the sights is the best thing to happen to games.

no
and why do you then go on to praise a feature of sorts that is really fantastic and fun that sort of opposes iron sights

[Zulthus]

Originally Posted by goneglockin

I don't like other PlanetSide players in general because they are not FPS gamers first, not by any stretch.

First off, you show yourself as an elitist, and claim to know what us players play or don't play. Alright, wrong on the first sentence. You're right though, there was absolutely no FPS in Planetside.

Originally Posted by goneglockin

SOE and PS1 vets seem to forget what FPS gaming even is, it's infantry focused combat. Of which there was little to none in PlanetSide. I guess if you count hallway fights and tower footzergs.

This one makes me laugh. IN NO WAY does FPS mean infantry focused combat. It means as it says. FIRST PERSON SHOOTER. And guess what? EVERYTHING in the game is first person shooter. Piloting an aircraft, gunning a vehicle, and there was more than plenty of infantry combat to go around.

Originally Posted by goneglockin

Vehicleside. Everyone thinks it's so great that a couple tactical guys who tactically pull a vehicle and use tactics to tactically mow down endless waves of infantry... tactics... is the greatest thing about PlanetSide.

Planetside 2 obviously isn't the game you're looking for here. The point of it is to break away from the mold of brain dead boring infantry only shooters. There is actually some depth to this game. You push into bases with vehicles and infantry alike and that leads to massive indoor clusterfuck battle of infantry only in a fight for the base. Yeah... tactics... it's something not found in any other FPS than this series. It's all run and gun, boring as fuck. No teamwork or anything.

Originally Posted by goneglockin

Well guess what? Those endless waves of infantry? Those people were your primary target audience; i.e. people who expected an FPS game. They unsubscribed in a big hurry.

They stuck around for a very, very long time. The game was extremely active up until around Core Combat, and then still had many poplocks and battles everywhere up until about 2006-2007. And believe me... the majority of people didn't unsubscribe from the lack of an FPS aspect at all... you must never have played this game.

Originally Posted by goneglockin

They'll tell you to pull vehicles then, combined arms and all that. But think about what that actually is. It's going back to a base, getting a group together, driving across the map, and then fighting other vehicles... when all you want to do is play a game like CoD or BF3 in a massive environment. It always felt like I had to do chores in PlanetSide for it to let me get infantry fighting going. PS1 vets would just say fine we don't need you then, don't play this game... and then beg for marketing months later so they can again have a target rich squishy environment.

That's the whole damn beauty of Planetside. The calm before the storm, riding in with galaxies above you, fighter escorts, tank column below, AMSes beside you... so much fucking more fun than CoD or BF3. Again, if you felt like PS1 was a chore, this isn't your type of game. Don't try to change it away from the people that really enjoy it.

Originally Posted by goneglockin

They're basically jerks who don't consider how the other side feels or what FPS games mean to people. It reminds me of playing outside with some of the neighborhood kids when I was young. We'd make up these games and they would try to make the games all about their amusement, and then not understand when all the other kids said screw this im going home.

I can say the same exact thing about you right now.

Originally Posted by goneglockin

To me, that's your average PS1 vet.

[lawnmower]

Originally Posted by Stardouser

But using aim down sight is not "imitating Battlefield". Aim down sight mechanic is simply how it's done in 99% of shooters and how it should be done, and that's that.

and where would you get this idea from

[goneglockin]

Originally Posted by Zulthus

First off, you show yourself as an elitist, and claim to know what us players play or don't play. Alright, wrong on the first sentence. You're right though, there was absolutely no FPS in Planetside.



This one makes me laugh. IN NO WAY does FPS mean infantry focused combat. It means as it says. FIRST PERSON SHOOTER. And guess what? EVERYTHING in the game is first person shooter. Piloting an aircraft, gunning a vehicle, and there was more than plenty of infantry combat to go around.



Planetside 2 obviously isn't the game you're looking for here. The point of it is to break away from the mold of brain dead boring infantry only shooters. There is actually some depth to this game. You push into bases with vehicles and infantry alike and that leads to massive indoor clusterfuck battle of infantry only in a fight for the base. Yeah... tactics... it's something not found in any other FPS than this series. It's all run and gun, boring as fuck. No teamwork or anything.



They stuck around for a very, very long time. The game was extremely active up until around Core Combat, and then still had many poplocks and battles everywhere up until about 2006-2007. And believe me... the majority of people didn't unsubscribe from the lack of an FPS aspect at all... you must never have played this game.



That's the whole damn beauty of Planetside. The calm before the storm, riding in with galaxies above you, fighter escorts, tank column below, AMSes beside you... so much fucking more fun than CoD or BF3. Again, if you felt like PS1 was a chore, this isn't your type of game. Don't try to change it away from the people that really enjoy it.



I can say the same exact thing about you right now.

Average PS1 vet. Words on deaf ears.

Provides a literal definition of FPS games to say they do not mean infantry combat in one paragraph, and then refers to them as "the mold" in the next. I also apparently never played the game because I do not remember PlanetSide being "very active" for a long time. I do remember half of the servers disappearing in less than a year.

And yes, if I don't like it- it's not for me... I know. Good luck telling that to the kind of people who would keep ps2 from being ps1 all over again; bleeding players from the beginning.

[ArmedZealot]

Originally Posted by Zulthus

They stuck around for a very, very long time. The game was extremely active up until around Core Combat, and then still had many poplocks and battles everywhere up until about 2006-2007. And believe me... the majority of people didn't unsubscribe from the lack of an FPS aspect at all... you must never have played this game.

Ignoring everything else in this post. I can give you a figure to support this... It however points to a dip in subscriptions in 2005.




It would be interesting to note that Battlefield 2 launched in June 2005, and both Xbox 360 and the PS3 were announced and the Xbox 360 being released that November.

Core Combat was release in May 2003. I think it is wrong to imply that it was the cause of PS1's demise.

BFR's would be more accurate however. They were released October 2004.

[ArmedZealot]

Originally Posted by WildVS

But you baffoons are now the laugh of the party. Good job.

Where is that respect bro?

[Baneblade]

Originally Posted by WildVS

But you baffoons are now the laugh of the party. Good job.

Buffoon

[Dreamcast]

Originally Posted by Bobby Shaftoe

1+3. That's the whole point, PS was that simple it was a case of 'Here are your certs, use/combine them however you like'. Play Tetris with loadouts, plan for what you might need in extended hold situations and bring the most effective weapon for the task you were going to perform. Now you get given a specific class and arbitrary loadout with it and you think that's somehow an improvement? There's more to teamwork than just some forced division of people not being able to self heal/repair, that's like the absolute lowest level of 'teamwork'. It's like the basest level of 'support', you can't do anything alone and HAVE to have someone healing you, whilst the heal bot gets to run around doing nothing but that. I don't want a game where teamwork consists of TF2 medic gameplay or LoL duo bot lane AD carry and support. This is an MMOFPS, 'teamwork', that most bittervets harp on about (I would be willing to bet), is above the 'let me heal/rep you' level of every other game out there and is more about actual tactical and strategic level than just pointing at someone and pressing fire to heal/rep them.

2. I don't mind change if it's done for a good reason, rather than just for the sake of it. Oh hey, small scale FPS have changed since 2003... ok, so you're going to implement those changes into an MMOFPS because... you give me good reasons for doing so then I'm willing to be persuaded.

4. Well I think it's pretty obvious, they cloak, get in position and fire, the act of firing may break cloak.

5. So here, you want to kill an enemy sniper before he backs off and heals, ruining your little 1v1 fight in an MMOFPS (Edit1: ignoring the fact that you get regenerating shields in PS2 which is the exact same as him backing off to repair), where is your buddy to double snipe him, you know one of the most basic levels of 'teamwork'.

(Edit2) You say that healing/repping ruined sniping battles, why? Just because you didn't get the +1 in your K/D?
That sniper was out the fight for 10+ seconds, giving you the chance to target others and letting friendlies push out.
You say that everyone else is whining about all this dumbing down yet you highlight examples where you obviously aren't thinking of anything past your K/D ratio and say it was 'ruined' because you didn't get a kill.

So how do classes ruin the whole other PS1 teamwork of coordinating an attack accross continents?...It doesn't seem like it does....Can't u pick any cert no still? Except you just can be a sniper and a medic at the same time..Don't see how that ruins the games teamplay...Also the loadouts might have several options except u can't be a medic or engineer which isn't bad IMO...but I will wait and see till beta


Seems like some of the changes r being done for good reason.

4 Again you are assuming...You have no idea how it works...For all we know cloaking sucks and you can tell right away that somebody is cloak and kill them fast.

5 And thats why Planetside was broken...You need 2 persons to kill a sniper lol......I know you are going to say it shows how planetside was about teamwork....It just ruin sniper battles IMO.

As for Planetside 2 regenration.....Again your assuming for all we know the cloaks die with 1 Sniper shot like in Planetside 1.....So they won't regen.



K/d Ratio?....LMAO let me guess u hate K/d ratio because of COD and think I play COD or someshit....No dude I don't give a damn about my K/d ratio in fact I think it was horrible in Planetside...I didn't like the sniping ps1 because it didn't make it dangerous to be a sniper since you could heal yourself....So what was risky about sniping?...Almost nothing.

Thats why i hope SOE fixed sniping so it will be risky...No more healing or anything.

[Hamma]

goneglockin I'm not quite sure who you are but you have done a rather good job of trying to stereotype every PlanetSide vet and at the same time alienating yourself.

I'll give this thread a bit longer if we can have some constructive discussion.

Originally Posted by Graywolves

This thread is awful and it makes me angry at everyone.

[Vancha]

I'm not sure this thread is capable of constructive discussion, considering the answer to the question is rather obvious.

Some people will like certain changes, some people won't like certain changes because they don't like change in general and some people won't like certain changes because they don't like that particular change, for whatever reason.

You simply can't lump "Planetside players" into either having legitimate concerns or "hating to evolve". Out of those who are against a certain change, there'll be some from group A and some from group B.

I can't think of anything more to be said.

[Mechzz]

inb4lok

There's a lot of passion in the community, that's for sure. And the vast majority of polls and threads here have reasoned debate in a good spirit. This one got badly derailed, and there is a risk of it happening again as we learn more about the game and perhaps less well-intentioned peeps gravitate to this site as the hype mounts. That doesn't mean it will set a new benchmark as I believe most of the posters want to keep this as a site where we know we can have a good debate about the game we love.

That is all.

[captainkapautz]

What is this, I don't even

[ArmedZealot]

Originally Posted by Mechzz

inb4lok

There's a lot of passion in the community, that's for sure. And the vast majority of polls and threads here have reasoned debate in a good spirit. This one got badly derailed, and there is a risk of it happening again as we learn more about the game and perhaps less well-intentioned peeps gravitate to this site as the hype mounts. That doesn't mean it will set a new benchmark as I believe most of the posters want to keep this as a site where we know we can have a good debate about the game we love.

That is all.

Originally Posted by WildVS

Nah these jackasses were just trolling I reckon. Kind of the dark side of the community, if you will. People not capable of objective thought etc.

Have a negative opinion of the PS2 community, get called a jackass and not capable of objective thought. A real show for the new people that come here to PSU.

As more and more new people show up there will be vets like WildVS that will seek to alienate and divide the community.

[Toppopia]

Quick someone close this thread before its too late!!

[Xyntech]

Kill everyone in this thread.