Dont think the HA should be able to fly. - Page 9

SergeantNubins · 2012-06-17, 01:38 PM

Like I said though, it was just hinted, never mentioned outright. I imagine there's a ton of stuff they are considering or have been considering monetising that they never will.

Purple · 2012-06-17, 01:42 PM

Can anyone tell me what happened to this thread? i dident log on for a few hours and we are on halo 3 and paying to get resources?

SergeantNubins · 2012-06-17, 01:46 PM

Originally Posted by Purple

Can anyone tell me what happened to this thread? i dident log on for a few hours and we are on halo 3 and paying to get resources?

It was determined that the main problem some people had with heavy assault flying, was the issue of them bailing as a deployment tool.

The main counter to that, was that reavers cost resources so it would be very wasteful to do it. So now the conversation is revolving around just how wasteful is it, what methods are there to get resources etc.

TheInferno · 2012-06-17, 01:47 PM

It's the internet, how are you surprised by a derail?

I think I posted this, but the only thing I'm actually opposed to is a dedicated "pilot" class. Too narrow of a focus for a class.

Letten · 2012-06-17, 03:05 PM

I am a part of this BF crowd and I assure you WE know how it is when fans of some other game comes in and tries to dictate how YOUR game should look. It is horrible, and it ruins the franchise, so whatever you PS1 vets decide, I will be for it.

Saintlycow · 2012-06-17, 03:23 PM

The HA is only going to use the flying vehicle to get to a location. People are going to find that gal drops are safer and cheaper

Xyntech · 2012-06-17, 04:30 PM

Originally Posted by Letten

I am a part of this BF crowd and I assure you WE know how it is when fans of some other game comes in and tries to dictate how YOUR game should look. It is horrible, and it ruins the franchise, so whatever you PS1 vets decide, I will be for it.

Hopefully what the devs decide, with heavy input from the vets and a healthy amount of consideration towards other players from new games.

The devs have to stick with their vision though, or the fans will destroy it. It happened somewhat with the first Planetside.

Personally, I haven't seen any compelling reasons why LA should be able to fly an aircraft and HA shouldn't. Both classes will be balanced against each other and be valuable classes in their own right outside of piloting, and as long as bailing isn't the primary go to transport method for 90% of players, it really shouldn't matter what classes can pilot, as long as it isn't inherently overpowered.

MAXes would be inherently overpowered. Their AA weapons would have a good chance of killing the aircraft that downed them. The AV weapons that HA carry do not fall into this problem, at least not in footage we've seen.

Any discussion about bailing problems (engi's, cloakers, LA, or anybody using fighters for transport instead of Galaxies) is a derailment of the thread. The OP even clarified that he was thinking more along the lines of HA landing and getting out of the aircraft.

This is about whether the power difference in HA vs LA (or other classes) is enough to warrant restricting HA from flying. I believe that what we have seen and the design philosophies that we've heard indicate that there will be enough downsides and tradeoffs (in addition to their strengths) which will make HA just as good and bad as any other class in the game, unlike the uber Rexo we currently have in PS1.

So in my opinion, there is absolutely no valid reason to keep HA out of the pilots seat.

SpcFarlen · 2012-06-17, 04:44 PM

I also dont see why there needs to be a restriction on pilots, besides max. Hell LA have a huge advantage over every other class because they dont to get the ejection cert with jetpack. Just look at the E3 coverage with that Vanu pilot exiting then jetpacking back into the Scythe. BROKEN!!!

Meriv · 2012-06-17, 05:14 PM

Originally Posted by SpcFarlen

I also dont see why there needs to be a restriction on pilots, besides max. Hell LA have a huge advantage over every other class because they dont to get the ejection cert with jetpack. Just look at the E3 coverage with that Vanu pilot exiting then jetpacking back into the Scythe. BROKEN!!!

Can i get link with minute (if i don't steal too much time, really thanks in advance)?

Rexdezi · 2012-06-17, 06:30 PM

I don't even know why this is an issue. Of course HA should be able to fly aircraft, not one single gameplay reason has been offered that makes any fucking sense whatsoever as to why they shouldn't.

Rexdezi · 2012-06-17, 06:39 PM

Engineers shouldn't be allowed to fly because they can just get out and repair.
LA shouldn't be allowed as it makes ejector seats useless
Infiltrators shouldn't be allowed as they can get to sniping spots they otherwise wouldn't get to
HA shouldn't be allowed because they have a piss weak rocket launcher.

OP your logic is flawless.
/sarcasm

Xyntech · 2012-06-17, 08:29 PM

Originally Posted by Rexdezi

Engineers shouldn't be allowed to fly because they can just get out and repair.
LA shouldn't be allowed as it makes ejector seats useless
Infiltrators shouldn't be allowed as they can get to sniping spots they otherwise wouldn't get to
HA shouldn't be allowed because they have a piss weak rocket launcher.

OP your logic is flawless.
/sarcasm

You missed one. Medics shouldn't be able to fly because they can hotdrop onto a hard to reach roof where LA's can fly up to for free healing, or spam healing and revive grenades on other troops from relative safety.

Also, engineers can set up turrets from evil locations on roofs (assuming they allow turrets to aim downwards).

This really is the wrong topic to be discussing. The real issue is bailing versus Gal drops. Rexo flying aircraft in PS1 would have been broken, due to the fact that it would make Agile armor useless, at least after the surgile nerf. HA flying aircraft in PS2 is a completely different matter and is not broken in any way. Period. Don't even need to see beta, because all classes MUST be relatively evenly balanced or else the entire class system falls apart. So if HA is ever overpowered as a pilot class, then there is a problem with HA in general and the class must be balanced. Flying is not something that will overpower HA.

MAXes it would overpower, because MAXes have a lot better AA weaponry than HA has.

Bailing, people, bailing. As long as bailing is well balanced to be less preferable than Galaxy dropping in most average situations, for most average players, there is no problem. If bailing is overpowered and overly useful, then that is the issue that needs to be addressed, because it will be overpowered for every class, from Light Assault to Heavy Assault to Infiltrators, etc.

Baneblade · 2012-06-17, 09:13 PM

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Baneblade · 2012-06-17, 09:14 PM

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Purple · 2012-06-17, 10:18 PM

Originally Posted by Rexdezi

Engineers shouldn't be allowed to fly because they can just get out and repair.
LA shouldn't be allowed as it makes ejector seats useless
Infiltrators shouldn't be allowed as they can get to sniping spots they otherwise wouldn't get to
HA shouldn't be allowed because they have a piss weak rocket launcher.

OP your logic is flawless.
/sarcasm

Personal attacks are uncalled for. There was a reason i posted this asking for other points of view.