Welp it finnally happened and now i just want my money back - Page 9

Shadowsword8 · 2004-12-22, 05:55 AM

I'm coming a little late, but whatever...

Several times I wondered about MrVicchio's neutrality, espescially when guys like Shoey were around, and some of his views were for me a little too partisan to belong to a moderator, but overall that's all the bad things I can say about him. His opinion on most subject were driving me nuts, and I would like him to watch a little less Foxnews, but I've also come to realize that a debate without guys like him is boring.

I had little interest with threads like "Don't forget to say Merry Christmas...", because there is nothing more likely to turn into a flame war, and it's mostly based on opinions, not facts, and as such hardly debatable. I hadn't read it before the forum got locked, but I can see how badly those threads had turned.

IMHO, Triggar isn't responsible for it. Her posts were a little less argumentative of late, but weren't that much of personnal attacks.

MrVicchio, I got one question for you: Why haven't you banned the Trolls, rather than quit? They gave you amples reasons for it.

MrVicchio · 2004-12-22, 06:07 AM

Shadow, I'll tell ya two things:

1. Moderator on that forum was agreed when it started not to mean that I couldn't post in the forum and express my views, it was just to control "out of control" situations and deal with problems should they arise" I never ever moderatored based on someones views.

2. I was in the process of dealing with the trolls, but the moment I began to deal with the issue, in the moderator forum privvy to us mods, a thread was started screaming I was being a Nazi and upsetting the "community". If I did anything, it was used to slam me for being a "nazi" If I did nothing, it got worse. Hamma said from day one, don't bring poli-debate issues up to me, handle them yourselves (there were three of us in the beginning.) I have lived by that as best as I could.

TotalBiscuit · 2004-12-22, 06:23 AM

Originally Posted by DeepStrikeck

TB, from what I can tell, you're just causing more trouble than anyone else. You aren't contributing to this discussion, you are just causing more problems. Also, I must say you are quite hypocritical. You are saying Doppler is acting all elitest and then you say how awesome you are because you dealt with the OF and are so much better than everyone else because flames don't effect you.And how you are anti-stupid yet you don't even realize your own ignorance in how you are elevating yourself above others because you debated on the OF and our forums are wussy little ones. So just back off man, all you are doing is trying to show off to your little posse of immature members who think it's cool that you are an OF veteran and came over here to tell everyone off. Just back away and don't bother us. If we want to have shouting matches in the Politcal Debate forums, then so be it. Don't come in here yelling at us because we want the forum back and without certain people who think they have the right to come into the forum and screw everything up because they think "it's a black spot on PSU's canvas". Just back off and leave us alone to do our thing. We don't bust into the Lounge posting pointless pictures and useless posts trying to derail threads and with an agenda to get it shut down and the mods to resign. You can keep your comments to yourself about the forum. They aren't helping anyone or getting anything solved. You're only making things more difficult.

Robocop, please don't spam, that is awefully annoying.

As far as I'm concerned if you wish to take my posts that way then that really is your own problem (and it always has been, with you and certain other members of PolDeb). There is no elitism, just a warning. A simple warning that you're dealing with someone who won't back down at the first sign of a flame. Seems Doppler took that advice and got out while he could.

I'm not elevating myself above anyone, but ask anyone and they'll say when it comes to flamewars, debates and general silliness I'm not too bad at it. Doppler apparently wasn't pleased when I didn't bend over and take it at the first sign of a fight, apparently you're not particularly pleased either.

Your post demonstrated the entire tapestry of hypocrisy that was present in PolDeb very nicely. This attitude 'I do not like your views therefore you will be quiet'. Yet you speak of proper debate? How obvious does your own failing need to be before you realize it?

You think people came in there to screw it up? Some kind of amazing terrorist conspiracy? Get a grip! There was no conspiracy. There was no effort to screw that forum up. That forum reached the dizzying heights of complete stupidity and then imploded. MrVic said he resigned of his own accord, therefore there was no 'forcing out' as some crazed people will have you believe. There was no conspiracy, there are no giant space-lizards, so you can drop that particular line of paranoia right now.

You my friend are nothing but arrogant with your 'My views are ok but you should keep yours to yourself, they're helping no-one.. and I'm somehow in a position to dictate that for the rest of the forum'.

BS, that's what I call. You're no better than I am, your opinions are no more or less valuable. You talk of elitism and then practice it yourself. You talk of debate and then attempt to silence the opposing side. Do I have to draw pictures to demonstrate to you just what a stinking web of hypocrisy you've got yourself caught in?

Reader's Digest Version : There was no conspiracy to destroy PolDeb. Those who believe otherwise are paranoid and dilusional. There is no evidence to suggest a conspiracy. MrVic stated himself that he resigned of his own accord. There was no effort to force him out. In reality most of this disillusioned with PolDeb simply stopped posting, myself included. Deep is elitist and a hypocrite, just like Doppler. He believes he can dictate the views of others. He is mistaken.

TB.

ObnoxiousFrog · 2004-12-22, 06:43 AM

"The Ringing In My Ears" - Her Space Holiday

Oops, wrong overblown thread.

Hezzy · 2004-12-22, 08:59 AM

POLDEB CLOSING DOWN HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ME AND FROG. WE BOTH HAVE LESS THAN 10 POSTS IN THERE. IF WE WERE DISTURBING THE PEACE SO MUCH, THEN WE WOULD HAVE BEEN ATLEAST WARNED OR PMED. WE WEREN'T.

I DON'T KNOW WHY PEOPLE ARE BLAMING US.

Sorry about the large text, but I feel that's the only way to get my point across to ignorant cunts, I.E most of the people that have posted in this thread.

MrVicchio · 2004-12-22, 09:10 AM

ERRRNNNNTTT

Wrong there guy, ObFrog was PM'd and asked to remove one offensive line from a post he made, his response was "This means war Mister" (rough translation from the web of his french)

His reponse was to ignore the PM and instead went to Triggar who subsequently posted a "Nazi Admin" complaint against me in the Mod Forum.

Get your facts lined up guy.

Mr1337Duck · 2004-12-22, 09:28 AM

USAWorker, didn't your ass get banned for being a jackoff who even called himself a worker of a nationality that was not his own. I may be getting my leftwingers mixed up, but aren't you from France? If you are (if you aren't I apologize, it's my mistake), why call yourself USA worker, not PCRoFWorker? Just seems a bit odd to me.

It was either you or jacen who got banned for making an extremely offensive comment about Vic's divorce. You both disappeared around the same time, so I can't remember which of you it was.

Hezzy · 2004-12-22, 09:29 AM

Originally Posted by MrVicchio

ERRRNNNNTTT

Wrong there guy, ObFrog was PM'd and asked to remove one offensive line from a post he made, his response was "This means war Mister" (rough translation from the web of his french)

His reponse was to ignore the PM and instead went to Triggar who subsequently posted a "Nazi Admin" complaint against me in the Mod Forum.

Get your facts lined up guy.

So. ObFrog and Triggar were the reasons you resigned? I thought you said they weren't. No, wait. I'm pretty sure you said that they weren't. There's a quote a little bit further down.

This isn't right. You're the one who should get his facts right. You're flying all over the place.

"OMG OBFROG AND TRIGGAR DIDN'T MAKE ME RESIGN"
"ERRRRRRRM WRONG OBFROG AND TRIGGAR MADE ME RESIGN"

And arn't you forgetting me? After all, I was susposedly part of that "Hardcore Communist Derailing Commando" Cell.

EDIT: I may have misinterpreted. If that's the case: Asking him to remove one line from something isn't really warning him. You gave him a choice. He chose not to. It's your fault in the end.

Teichgraeber · 2004-12-22, 09:34 AM

Ok i think everybody should come down a bit its xmas time so just be nice to other People

Hezzy · 2004-12-22, 09:40 AM

Originally Posted by Teichgraeber

Ok i think everybody should come down a bit its xmas time so just be nice to other People

I'd love that to happen, but I don't think it's going to. Sorry.

MrVicchio · 2004-12-22, 09:58 AM

No Hezzy, it was a long list of issues over time. Hamma and I talked, he knows whats up with why I resigned, and to be honest I was gonna walk away. Never return.

But my email kept getting PM's and stright Emails from people here saying "Vic, this sucks man, you were good gonna mis the forum.."

And well, we'll see what happens.

Don't get a big head, you or ObFrog, it was not any one person, post or issue that caused this. Call it what ever you like, but when people like you, with less then "10 posts in there" BOTHER to come down just to insult me, that took away from the purpose of the forum. To debate politics.

When ObFrog, (25 posts in 12 days) that were little more then non-sense and insults, bothers to make the forum a "miserable" place. Something is wrong.

When the purpose of the forum is being undermined by MULTIPLE people, and when I stepped up to deal with the problem, I got back doored for it, somethings wrong.

I cannot do my job as a Mod if everytime I take any action it's being sent to a non-political debate mod who then brings it up in the closed forum, my hands are tied.
I only brought you up for that Pic Hezzy, not cause it in and of itself bothered me, what bothered me was you and a few others felt it worth your time to come down and insult me for kicks.

Hezzy · 2004-12-22, 10:03 AM

Originally Posted by MrVicchio

No Hezzy, it was a long list of issues over time. Hamma and I talked, he knows whats up with why I resigned, and to be honest I was gonna walk away. Never return.

But my email kept getting PM's and stright Emails from people here saying "Vic, this sucks man, you were good gonna mis the forum.."

And well, we'll see what happens.

Don't get a big head, you or ObFrog, it was not any one person, post or issue that caused this. Call it what ever you like, but when people like you, with less then "10 posts in there" BOTHER to come down just to insult me, that took away from the purpose of the forum. To debate politics.

When ObFrog, (25 posts in 12 days) that were little more then non-sense and insults, bothers to make the forum a "miserable" place. Something is wrong.

When the purpose of the forum is being undermined by MULTIPLE people, and when I stepped up to deal with the problem, I got back doored for it, somethings wrong.

I cannot do my job as a Mod if everytime I take any action it's being sent to a non-political debate mod who then brings it up in the closed forum, my hands are tied.
I only brought you up for that Pic Hezzy, not cause it in and of itself bothered me, what bothered me was you and a few others felt it worth your time to come down and insult me for kicks.

Hamma · 2004-12-22, 10:29 AM

I've had about enough of this, if and when the forums do re-open a select few will be unable to view it.