Higby on Magriders - Page 9

Redshift · 2013-02-19, 01:52 PM

That doesn't look like it takes into account numbers of players, i.e., TR could just have more players hence more tank pulls.

ringring · 2013-02-19, 01:52 PM

Originally Posted by Kerrec

OMG. I was in agreement with Assist, that the VS pulled tons more MBT's than the other factions. But THIS...

It has to be a mistake. Or TR & NC armor went out of their way to avoid VS armor.

As I said above, this could be explained that TR had to pull a prowler more often because they were destroyed more often ...... ie as evidence it's still not conclusive and I doubt whether any graphic will be.

MurderBunneh · 2013-02-19, 01:53 PM

Haha I love it VS whiners keep asking for more data and the data keeps showing what we have felt all along. How much more do you want guys?

ChipMHazard · 2013-02-19, 01:54 PM

Originally Posted by Revanmug

Now, I'm kind of wondering what's Assist next excuse.

That's hardly the right attitude to have when discussing a topic.

At the very least we should maintain a level of constructiveness.

MurderBunneh · 2013-02-19, 01:56 PM

Originally Posted by ChipMHazard

That's hardly the right attitude to have when discussing a topic.

At the very least we should maintain a level of constructiveness.

Yes but it is hard to stay constructive when it is like trying to talk about evolution with a bunch of ID mongers. They will argue to the bitter end because they BELIEVE.

Bear · 2013-02-19, 01:58 PM

Originally Posted by Hamma

I've added the various graphs to our Twitter Media Library:

MBT's Pulled per Day:

http://www.planetside-universe.com/media.php?view=2304

MBT K/D:

http://www.planetside-universe.com/media.php?view=2304

Well so much for the "we pull moar tanks" argument. There's simply no arguing the absolute dominance of the Mag in every respect. Despite pulling the lowest number of tanks, the VS had the largest amount of kills by a SIGNIFICANT margin.

Based on the numbers, I'd expect the Prowler to be getting a nerf in the next week or so. You're never going to get perfect balance but a slight negative adjustment to the Prowler and a nudge to the Vanguard and we should be close.

Originally Posted by ringring

As I said above, this could be explained that TR had to pull a prowler more often because they were destroyed more often ...... ie as evidence it's still not conclusive and I doubt whether any graphic will be.

If your factions tank is dying at a 2 or 3:1 rate then yes, you're going to to pull more tanks.

MurderBunneh · 2013-02-19, 01:59 PM

Originally Posted by ringring

As I said above, this could be explained that TR had to pull a prowler more often because they were destroyed more often ...... ie as evidence it's still not conclusive and I doubt whether any graphic will be.

Well you can cover your eyes and ears and sing na na na all you want if you choose to.
And thus far you have chosen to do just that.

Revanmug · 2013-02-19, 02:07 PM

Originally Posted by ChipMHazard

That's hardly the right attitude to have when discussing a topic.

At the very least we should maintain a level of constructiveness.

It is what it is. Stats were asked. Stats were given. Now, I'm curious what's the next "argument" to invalidate said stats even thought it is exactly what was asked. I like being up-to-date with those.

You know very well there will be something else. What's the point of hiding it? Let's be direct. Nobody like being nerf and few people can accept it.

MrBloodworth · 2013-02-19, 02:15 PM

Originally Posted by ChipMHazard

That's hardly the right attitude to have when discussing a topic.

At the very least we should maintain a level of constructiveness.

Not every side of a discussion has a viable view that needs a platform.

Assist · 2013-02-19, 02:29 PM

Originally Posted by Kerrec

OMG. I was in agreement with Assist, that the VS pulled tons more MBT's than the other factions. But THIS...

It has to be a mistake. Or TR & NC armor went out of their way to avoid VS armor.

Yeah I'm pretty shocked. Pre-patch I never saw more Prowlers or Vanguard's than Magriders. Surprising to say the least.

Originally Posted by Redshift

That doesn't look like it takes into account numbers of players, i.e., TR could just have more players hence more tank pulls.

Even so I've never saw more Vanguard's than Magrider's. I was under the assumption pretty much everyone agreed that Magrider's are used far more often than the Prowler or Vanguard. This graph is suggesting they're used the least? w/e, he posted it, guess it must be right.

ringring · 2013-02-19, 02:41 PM

Originally Posted by MurderBunneh

Well you can cover your eyes and ears and sing na na na all you want if you choose to.
And thus far you have chosen to do just that.

Oooooh!

So are you VS and annoyed that the stats don't seem to bear out the nerf belief or do you think I am and that I am denying the evidence. (hint: I play TR)?

MrBloodworth · 2013-02-19, 02:44 PM

Originally Posted by Assist

Yeah I'm pretty shocked. Pre-patch I never saw more Prowlers or Vanguard's than Magriders. Surprising to say the least.

They other factions had to pull more because they were getting blown the Fuck up.

Also its never shocking that people who live in a bubble might not be able to see outside of that bubble. Well, to the people telling the bubble dweller that they are wrong, nicely or not-nicely.

Revanmug · 2013-02-19, 02:59 PM

Originally Posted by Assist

Even so I've never saw more Vanguard's than Magrider's. I was under the assumption pretty much everyone agreed that Magrider's are used far more often than the Prowler or Vanguard. This graph is suggesting they're used the least? w/e, he posted it, guess it must be right.

I think there is a missunderstanding here. I think everybody agree that the Magrider was the most used MBT. The problem is that you seem to be unable to make the link with the tank k/d stat.

That a MBT is weak doesn't change the fact that it is a powerful land vehicule. Even though it has a lower survival ratio than other MBT, people will pull them. Not like they have other choice if they want a MBT. Only 1 per faction.

Here is a simple thing. If someone dies fairly often because his MBT is weak, he'll have to pull another, way more often. The opposite can be say of VS tank. If someone survive way longer in his MBT because it is simply better, the need to pull another is reduce simply because his tank is still working.

For me, I'm not "that" surprise by the graph. It make sense. It's not about the amount of time in a vehicule but the amount of vehicule pulled.

I believe you weren't paying attention Assist. I saw a quite good amount of Prowler before the patch (and Vanguard though I prefer the lightning). They simply died faster that they could resupply them, leaving mostly infantry to finish the fight.

Assist · 2013-02-19, 03:10 PM

Originally Posted by ChipMHazard

That's hardly the right attitude to have when discussing a topic.

At the very least we should maintain a level of constructiveness.

Don't matter to me, some people never grow up. There's more than a few who post that are disgruntled with me who just can't accept the fact that some players are simply better than them. From the hackusations to the constant /yell spams I get wherever I go, they just feel the need to stalk me on whatever forum I use. There's a reason I've never posted who or where my NC character plays, it's to avoid these people. Forums for games are for players to express their issues with the game/community, so if people want to show themselves to consistently be asshats that's their choice. Some people attempt to keep it constructive and always on point, but every community has their bottom dwellers. It's easier to ignore people on forums, the only ones that get me are the ones who have alts to TK me, though they tend to at least have a sense of humor.

Rothnang · 2013-02-19, 03:13 PM

Originally Posted by psijaka

Assuming that we did get this data and it proved that the Magrider performs significantly better than the Prowler at the high end; the next question to ask is "is this really of consequence?". If the numbers involved are small (say only the top 5% of players), then in the scheme of things this is not significant; PS2 isn't an e-sport. But if say the top 30% perform significantly better, and the bottom 30% perform significanltly worse, then maybe there is an issue to be addressed. Then comes the difficult question - How?

Of course that's of consequence. Would you want to play in a faction that's only statistically doing well because it has noob friendly gear that performs well at the low end but that can't hack it at the high end?
If that ever became the standard state of balance for a faction why would any good players want to be in it? Vanu already have this undeserved reputation of being easymode because of the bullet drop thing, which makes long range shots a little easier for new people, but smacks veterans who would have no problem compensating for bullet drop with reduced damage they can't compensate for.

The tank-use graph shows how many tanks were pulled, I guess our perception of how many there are largely depends on how long they live. The requisition graph to me suggests one of two things: Either it shows a faction imbalance where there is simply more TR and NC players overall and everyone pulls roughly the same amount of tanks, or that those factions pull larger quantities of tanks because they get destroyed more often. At least ingame experience feels like there are more Magriders than other tanks.