*** PlanetSide 2 Ultimate Beta FAQ *** - Page 90

Kran De Loy · 2012-07-12, 05:01 AM

Yeah, first impressions are why NDA's exist.

Screw you First Impressionists. Screw. You.

NoDachi · 2012-07-12, 05:08 AM

ready guys? ACTIVE.

Timey · 2012-07-12, 05:10 AM

it's been saying "active" for anyone who entered a key of any sort always..

But if you are a vet and haven't entered a key, then It might be something.

Karrade · 2012-07-12, 05:15 AM

Originally Posted by Timey

it's been saying "active" for anyone who entered a key of any sort always..

But if you are a vet and haven't entered a key, then It might be something.

I am a vet with no key entered and it is still inactive. So probably no change yet.

CJMBC · 2012-07-12, 05:17 AM

im thinking that the first impression he is talking about is nothing to do with the actual beta, and more to do so with the Company.

Im SURE there will be no issues as far as letting the Euro's in, and for the people saying that they aren't of priority are wrong. this game needs a Fan Base to survive and by pissing off a large chunk of the community to make it playable for the rest is Not professional.

People in Europe, just like North America are Eagerly awaiting news on the Beta, its not like one region is waiting more. or for that matter deserves it more. People in Europe also SHOULD feel Entitled to the Beta, After all, North Americans do? they have followed the game and played the first one Just as much.

Put the boot on the Other foot, if it was a European Company, and there was a * possibility* that the US/Canada and others weren't getting in at the same time, there would be just as much outcry.

I am not trying to flame or insight argument, simply saying don't tell people not to bitch when you are not in that position.

*also - I have had the *active* status in my account for a couple of months now

Exodan · 2012-07-12, 05:17 AM

My account has been ACTIVE for months. Old news is old!

NoDachi · 2012-07-12, 05:23 AM

I know, I'm just making sure everyone has done everything :P

Otleaz · 2012-07-12, 05:49 AM

Originally Posted by CJMBC

im thinking that the first impression he is talking about is nothing to do with the actual beta, and more to do so with the Company.

Im SURE there will be no issues as far as letting the Euro's in, and for the people saying that they aren't of priority are wrong. this game needs a Fan Base to survive and by pissing off a large chunk of the community to make it playable for the rest is Not professional.

People in Europe, just like North America are Eagerly awaiting news on the Beta, its not like one region is waiting more. or for that matter deserves it more. People in Europe also SHOULD feel Entitled to the Beta, After all, North Americans do? they have followed the game and played the first one Just as much.

Put the boot on the Other foot, if it was a European Company, and there was a * possibility* that the US/Canada and others weren't getting in at the same time, there would be just as much outcry.

I am not trying to flame or insight argument, simply saying don't tell people not to bitch when you are not in that position.

*also - I have had the *active* status in my account for a couple of months now

The boot HAS been on the other foot, several times actually. If it happened, it wouldn't be anything new.

This discussion reminds me of how it is racist to hire the white guy when there is a lesser qualified black guy also looking to get the job.

Solidblock · 2012-07-12, 06:46 AM

I'm British and I dare say I'm about as excited as anyone else in here, regardless of region. The ability to get everyone in and accommodated under the development process should be regarded just as important as anything else.

Meecrob · 2012-07-12, 06:58 AM

I understand that the EU beta servers will be setup later than the NA ones, but this does not mean they cant let us Europeans play on the NA servers. Yes we'll have a shitty latency, but im playing PS1 with that shitty latency for like 3 hours a day atm.

What i find most annoying about this whole discussion is the whole "it's not a right its a privilege" argument. Take for example Basti. Hes from Europe. Do you think he won't immediatly get into beta? (if he isn't allready) And why is he being let in? Because he would probably rage endlessly and would think its unfair. Getting into beta is a very emotional thing (many people would probably also call it childish) But being rational about it won't change the emotional side of it. Like i said from a rational standpoint i would fully understand why Europeans would come in later, but from an emotional one i would have a mix of sadness and disappointment. Now a moment of me being selfish. Why don't they just let the EU vets in and wait with for example the EU PC Gamer keys? How many EU vets are there anyway? Probably not more than 100-200.

Now that that's out.... looking forward to the haircutting cermony, and let's all rejoice in the start of beta.

Timey · 2012-07-12, 07:20 AM

Originally Posted by Meecrob

How many EU vets are there anyway? Probably not more than 100-200.

Lol what? You do realize there was a European server with a lot of players back in the day and every one of those players is a vet

Meecrob · 2012-07-12, 07:28 AM

Originally Posted by Timey

Lol what? You do realize there was a European server with a lot of players back in the day and every one of those players is a vet

Yes, but not all of them are still active right now, im talking about EU vets that are looking into getting into beta not people that played 5-8 years ago.

Seagoon · 2012-07-12, 07:49 AM

lol. Americans should be the only ones to get in because they would have better ping?

Euros playing on the US servers is a thing that will happen a lot on release, as well as americans playing on EU servers, they want to test this as much as anything else.

ChipMHazard · 2012-07-12, 08:09 AM

Originally Posted by Otleaz

The boot HAS been on the other foot, several times actually. If it happened, it wouldn't be anything new.

This discussion reminds me of how it is racist to hire the white guy when there is a lesser qualified black guy also looking to get the job.

Except the opposit is still the general rule of thumb.

You're really not that good at not being condescending are you? If I was inclined to take offense to such things I could easily ask you if you now think that european players are less qualified to test than NA players. You do know that there were and still are europeans playing PS, right? Quit while you're ahead.

No one is entitled to a beta test unless a company tells them that they are, goes for europeans, americans etc.
Testing is a tool for getting feedback from testers.
I won't blame a company for opting not to open up servers in another region, since it costs money and time to get the infrastructure required up and running.
This of course doesn't mean that european players wouldn't/shouldn't be able to join the NA testing.
What I will blame a company for, when applical, is if they withhold information from certain parts of their future player-( and hopefully consumer)base.

What a company should not do.

Withhold information regarding a beta test's regional restriction until the beta starts.
Allow testers outside the testing region to apply to a beta test they will not be able to participate in.
String a certain region's playerbase along and continuously change deadlines for testing in that region.

What a company should do

Be clear about testing:
-Is the test going to be exclusive to a single region.
-Will a region's test be exclusive to players from said region
i.e. will european testers be able to join in the NA test.
-When will other regions, or region, open up testing i.e. give a
timeframe and don't string that playerbase around until say only
a month of testing is left.

Treat all playerbases with respect and do not try to string them along, I cannot stress this enough. They might dislike you for it but atleast you didn't give them any false expectations.

The best way for a company to alienate itself from a playerbase is to treat them as a second-class, you don't want to pull a GOA. PS2 is going to rely completely on converting players into buyers, if they do not think they are getting their money's worth, when compared to another region, they are less likely to become buyers.

So far I haven't read anything that would indicate that european testers won't be able to test on the NA servers, just that there won't be an actual EU test until later on. I would of course appreciate confirmation about this, but for the moment I am giving them the benefit of the doubt.
Not that it matters for me either way as I do not have a beta key.

Karrade · 2012-07-12, 08:39 AM

Originally Posted by Meecrob

Yes, but not all of them are still active right now, im talking about EU vets that are looking into getting into beta not people that played 5-8 years ago.

Not all the American Vets are active right now either, I am not sure what the point you are making is? Likely to be plenty of each coming back, especially with the launch of this excellent looking game so close - so it'd be wise to test all variables in a system before going live.

Speaking hypothetically the last thing you'd want is to open the US server up to EU players live, only to realise it just didn't work on mass. - Same goes for EU servers for US folk too, or any other country for that matter - plenty of regions in the world out there.