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**Malorn** · 2011-07-11, 04:45 AM

Originally Posted by CutterJohn

That is my understanding of it as well, except I believe battle rank just unlocks the certs that you can then train. Having a BR20 won't mean anything if you've not trained any of the certs.

He also said that you get BR far, far faster than you can train the certs you unlock, so I doubt having all certs trained will even be an issue for a year or two.

Yeah I think it works somewhat like Eve Online where the certs will have ranks and ranking up gives you bonuses and/or is a prerequisite for certain equipment. The first rank is really fast, while subsequent ranks take exponentially longer time to train. That would also be consistent with what we have been told so far.

basti · 2011-07-11, 04:52 AM

Originally Posted by DeeTwoEh

That's not the issue. It's the fact that you can even do that. Classes don't belong in PS in my opinion. The certification system worked perfectly.

The certification system was broken since day one. You could always perform all roles at the same time, with only your battle rank as limitation.
And that caused hot dropping deci guys killing bfr by themselve, and one man army's with rexo, ha, med and engi.
And you could always switch characters, it just was annoying because you had to get back to the fight.

Bags · 2011-07-11, 04:56 AM

Well to be honest BFR has one pilot so it makes sense that a grunt with a lot of grunt certs can 1v1 them.

dachlatte · 2011-07-11, 05:01 AM

you dont have a 100 peole of your outfit online every night to fill all the specific roles. what if the guys with the more "exotic" certs are not online? that only limits your options/fun.
if you can change classes you still can do all the fun stuff with your m8s.

and you need to put alot of "skill-time" into the classes to be able to do the advanced stuff. otherwise its just the basics.

i think the classes are a great addition to the game. you are more versatile. if the battle changes you can change with it and keep playing and having fun. there will not be a situation where you cant be effective because you dont have the right certs at the time.

Zulthus · 2011-07-11, 05:36 AM

Originally Posted by dachlatte

you dont have a 100 peole of your outfit online every night to fill all the specific roles. what if the guys with the more "exotic" certs are not online? that only limits your options/fun.
if you can change classes you still can do all the fun stuff with your m8s.

and you need to put alot of "skill-time" into the classes to be able to do the advanced stuff. otherwise its just the basics.

i think the classes are a great addition to the game. you are more versatile. if the battle changes you can change with it and keep playing and having fun. there will not be a situation where you cant be effective because you dont have the right certs at the time.

Right, but then what'd be the point of specialization? No one would have any role.

dachlatte · 2011-07-11, 05:46 AM

Originally Posted by Zulthus

Right, but then what'd be the point of specialization? No one would have any role.

you will have a certain role until you change it at a terminal. your skills(skill tree and player skill) will dictate how well you fill that role. its like changing your ship in eve

artifice · 2011-07-11, 07:19 AM

To these people that say this game isn't PlanetSide, of course it isn't, it is PlanetSide 2. You better learn to deal with change because there is going to be a lot of it.

Some of this complaining reminds of Everquest fans reminiscing about hell levels and experience loss. Nostalgia makes wonderful rose colored glasses.

basti · 2011-07-11, 07:27 AM

I think you Guys are just overreacting because you fear the new system. You fear it because you lack information about it.
Just chill and wait till beta. If it is broken, then will change it till it works.
As for myself, I often came into the situation where I just wanted to use av or do some sniper stuff for a bit, but couldn't. And I hated that.
But what I fear about the new system is organising a big tank attack just to see all enemy's spawn with av. And if that is going to be the case, then i'm going to make clear to the developers that they need to change it. :-)

We all want this game to be great, and I shall be damned if we can't make sure it is going to be great.

SKYeXile · 2011-07-11, 08:03 AM

Originally Posted by basti

I think you Guys are just overreacting because you fear the new system. You fear it because you lack information about it.
Just chill and wait till beta. If it is broken, then will change it till it works.
As for myself, I often came into the situation where I just wanted to use av or do some sniper stuff for a bit, but couldn't. And I hated that.
But what I fear about the new system is organising a big tank attack just to see all enemy's spawn with av. And if that is going to be the case, then i'm going to make clear to the developers that they need to change it. :-)

We all want this game to be great, and I shall be damned if we can't make sure it is going to be great.

precisely, people should not have unlimited cert available to them...think about it in a small scale fight:

guy gets kiled by a quasar, then pulls out a pounder.
somebody gets skeeter farmed, pulls out an AA max.
guy gets sniped, pulls a skeeter.
guy gets killed by infantry, pulls a MAX.

its just lame.

I think people should build their character the way they want to play or their outfit plays, yes people should have afew options open to them, its not going to be fun been awesome tank commander guy when there is no tank battle. perhaps your specialisation points are only active if you're currently selected the class those points are in. in ether case i dont think you should be able to bounce around from infill to pilot, to heavy weapons to max...you should pick perhaps.

I thought that PS2 could work(and others in FC) if you choose say 2-3 classes. of the following, and only had those certs available to you.

Aerial - assault - Comes with pilot armour & nano dispenser
Cert options include: Skeeta, reava

Aerial - support - comes with pilot armour & nano dispenser
Cert options include: Lib, gal, gal gunship, loadstar

Ground - assault - comes with nano dispenser
Cert options include: lightning, MBT, skyguard, all other buggys

Ground - support - comes with Advanced nano dispenser
Cert options include: AMS, Deliver variants,

Infantry - Assault - comes with Rexo
Cert options include: Heavy assault, AV, sniping, elite assault

Infantry - mechanised assault
Cert options include: AI MAX, AV MAX, AA MAX.

Infantry - support
cert options include: Advanced med, adv hack,

Infantry - Defensive assault.
cert options include: Combat engineering + its variants...(if they still exist, hopefully not), Special assault.

Stealth - comes with infiltrator suit.
Cert options include: Advanced pistols, phantasm

all other stuff would be common pool.

Bruttal · 2011-07-11, 08:34 AM

Tell ya what all those who are complaining saying "just stop work on ps2" "shut it down" yall can keep subbed to PS1 we don't need ya in ps2 wanking off to your mom. just my 2 cents

Rarntogo · 2011-07-11, 08:34 AM

Why are so many people getting ahead of themselves here? We really have no idea of the gameplay aspects yet. We have only been teased with ideas and concepts and yet some people are already to scrap the game because it isnt exactly what they want or isnt like the original? Come on guys, take a Valium. Chill out a bit. This is a new game and while the devs have promised us that they will take our input into account, this is their game. They have to make it profitable for them and there is absolutely no way to make everyone happy no matter what they do. Lets wait till we see the game, play the game and wait to pass judgement till we know for sure how everything works together. If PS1 was perfect there would be no reason to change it but it isnt and there definitely are plenty of reasons to change things. Lets have a little patience and stop making decisions about something we know almost nothing about.
As for the specialization or "classes"... I dunno about you guys but I changed certs every time I played. Before I logged off I would drop Unimax (for example) and the next day at login drop HA and would have 10 skill points to use for whatever the squad needed that day depending on who was logged in. If we needed a hacker, I was a hacker, Needed a medic, I was a medic. If we were doing Gal drops and Lib runs... You get the picture... It's about versatile specialization, not moment to moment, but day to day. I think this is all they are giving us but in reality.... who knows?! Lets just wait and see.

dachlatte · 2011-07-11, 10:24 AM

Originally Posted by SKYeXile

guy gets kiled by a quasar, then pulls out a pounder.
somebody gets skeeter farmed, pulls out an AA max.
guy gets sniped, pulls a skeeter.
guy gets killed by infantry, pulls a MAX.

its just lame.

why is that lame? everyone can do that. its not like someone gets an advantage. might be challange but thats a good thing in my book

and why do you think about it in small scale fights? ps2 is all about the big scale epic fights. at that scale you wont even notice the instant class change. you will just face lots of everything. if an enemy was a different class 2 minutes ago....who cares?

Zulthus · 2011-07-11, 03:53 PM

I'm going to try if ofc, but I'm worried about the outcome. It feels like the the info given out that this'll just be Planetfield: Modern Warfare.

-Headshots
-More lethal weapons
-Squad spawning
-Instant vehicle entry
-Be anything you want when you want
-Much faster paced
-Instant-kill quick knife (not confirmed)

But, I still have no idea how it will turn out, so I'll have to play it to see.

Rbstr · 2011-07-11, 04:03 PM

The open class+ specialising skills system will create specialisation while allowing people to play multiple roles. It both increases the available diversity of any given group and creates an incentive for someone to go deeper into a role rather than the homogenise to the do-nearly-everything soldier that existed before

You can't be HA and a sniper at the same time. Sure you can go and swap loadouts...EXACTLY like you do now. There's plenty of cert points to have a diverse character, even when the cap was BR20 you could easily have a support role, HA, AV, rexo and a vehicle. You could even use nearly all of them at the same time. Now the game will force you to pick between those roles to some extent. Even if you have all of them the class system will make it so you only have access to a subset of those between terminal runs. It's really not that different.

Plus with the skills it's obvious that you aren't just going to get all of the skills right away and you'll either have to specialise in something and be good at it or be meh at everything at once.

Zulthus · 2011-07-11, 04:06 PM

Originally Posted by Rbstr

The classes create specialisation while allowing people to play multiple roles.

You can't be HA and a sniper at the same time. Sure you can go and swap loadouts...EXACTLY like you do now. There's plenty of cert points to have a diverse character, even when the cap was BR2 you could easily have a support role, HA, AV, rexo and a vehicle. You could even use nearly all of them at the same time. Now the game will force you to pick between those roles to some extent. Even if you have all of them the class system will make it so you only have access to a subset of those between terminal runs. It's really not that different.

Plus with the skills it's obvious that you aren't just going to get all of the skills right away and you'll either have to specialise in something and be good at it or be meh at everything at once.

Then at some point, maybe a year or two, EVERYONE will be specialized in everything, and then what? PS1 didn't give you every cert at once, PS2 is.