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View Poll Results: Should aircraft be able to see infantry on radar? | |||
Yes | 47 | 29.01% | |
No | 115 | 70.99% | |
Voters: 162. You may not vote on this poll |
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2012-04-18, 04:30 AM | [Ignore Me] #32 | |||
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Personally I'm fine w/ these mechanics from PS1:
IMO what we normally refer to as "RADAR" really isn't radar. It's more an interconnected communication/navigation/Command&Control system like a glorified Land Warrior system used by the US Army. People show up on the minimap when they're actually seen or heard by platoon members' bare senses and not just by an electronic detection system. Plus waypoints, floorplans, friendly deployables, etc are all marked as well. As such, any information shown on one player's minimap should be shared by all platoon members regardless of whether or not they are in a vehicle. That said, people here have also asked for long-range RADAR systems for aircraft to be included in the game, like from an AWACS system. Something like that would most likely work differently than typical 2D spotting, and such systems should not pick up enemy infantry (except maybe MAXes). In fact, IMO no methods of detection that have a range longer than the size of the minimap should be able to pick up infantry, including such things as Reveals (unless it's really short range in PS2), 3D spotting done by platoon members outside of your minimap range, etc. Oh, and as a side note for you old skool (read: pre-BFR) PS1 vets out there: Sometime in mid-2004 (I think), the Mossie's overflight detection was made active at all times, regardless of how fast it was going. Just thought I'd point that out since a couple ppl in this thread were under the impression it still worked only at low speeds. And IMO, for gameplay purposes I would classify the PS1 Mossie's overflight detection as something other than radar as well due to its extremely short range. More like an enhance motion/sound detection system. Last edited by Erendil; 2012-04-18 at 04:50 AM. |
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2012-04-18, 05:20 AM | [Ignore Me] #33 | ||
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Radar != Minimap. Minimap blobs are blobs in your line of sight or that have been spotted by friendlies (this is usally how it goes, at least).
Radar is a method of spotting troops (friendly AND enemy) that you can't see visually. Airborne radar in smaller aircraft is more often restricted to, or focussed on a cone that projects out of the front of the aircraft to help spot and lock targets on the approach, and its down to eyeballs, wingmen, and other aids to spot things coming in behind. (Larger aircraft or specialised AWACS obviously have a much wider view, but they don't really engage directly). I'd like to see some form of approach/frontal radar on the fighters to assist with lining up attacks - by the time you can see something, it may be too late to line up an attack with rockets (especially if you're using speed as a defence). You still wouldn't be able to relay that information back to anyone except perhaps other air units in your squad. A more full field of view radar would be an interesting thing to add to the galaxy as a AWACS / eye-in-the-sky for all the benefits and strategy thats been discussed elsewhere. Adding it to the smaller aircraft could be do-able too, but it would be at the cost of offensive armament - a bit like the spotter planes in WWI & WWII, often they were fighters because they had speed, and they had their guns replaced with cameras and in many cases, armour was removed to save weight to gain speed and/or range. |
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2012-04-18, 05:22 AM | [Ignore Me] #34 | |||
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Then, and I know this would be horrible for pilotophiles, but like in Afghanistan in the 1980s, the pilots might have to avoid ground forces more. Which might lead to planes facing off against planes. Which I think is a great idea.
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2012-04-18, 05:25 AM | [Ignore Me] #35 | |||
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2012-04-18, 10:01 AM | [Ignore Me] #38 | |||
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I wonder if we can have advanced implants which have pre-requisites. For example if we have 4 implant slots, perhaps we can spend 1 slot on "basic radar immunity" which only works if you are stationary or walking. Then you have a second implant slot which requires that implant and allows immunity even while running. So we can be fully immune if we want but it costs us 2 implant slots. That could be a significant benefit for a significant cost. It doesn't even need to be the same implant, it could simply be an sort of stacking-buff where one stack gets you walk/stationary immunity while two stacks gets you complete immunity. When one implant wears off (they are timer-based) you simply go down to one stack. Same could be true for xp boosts and that sort of thing. Spend one implant slot for a moderate xp boost. Spend two for twice the effect. It's purely additive but the tradeoff is that you aren't using that implant slot for some other benefits (like radar immunity). Hrm, I should probably put this in the idea vault |
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2012-04-18, 10:06 AM | [Ignore Me] #39 | ||
Short Answer: No with a maybe
Long Answer : Yes with a but
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2012-04-18, 10:30 AM | [Ignore Me] #41 | ||
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No, but, If a enemy has been spotted by friendly forces. I believe the hostile contacts should be available on radar for the birds in the sky to see.
I voted no, but I would be fine with them receiving some form of a radar down the line that allowed them to spot enemy forces below. They could limit it to vehicles if people are worried about infantry getting farmed. |
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2012-04-18, 10:43 AM | [Ignore Me] #42 | ||
Corporal
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I enjoyed the PS mechanic. I was one of the few that hovered giving radar support to friendlies.
I don't think it should show up for stationary targets. If it pops up on someone elses minimap that doesn't see the target then it should pop up on yours too. Even if you don't engage the infantry, it is good to know that you shouldn't try escaping in that direction low to the ground. Being close to the ground is important for breaking AA. |
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2012-04-18, 11:24 AM | [Ignore Me] #43 | ||
Private
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One of the irritating features which have become extremely popular in modern shooters is the ability to scan for enemy players. In Bad Company 2 it took very little skill and in many cases set a death sentence for whoever is unfortunate enough to be within that tactical radius.
I enjoy having appropriate 3D spotting in some shooters in order to replace the lack of military discipline, though constant radar scanning results in some players spending half of their time watching their minimap for dots which represents little tactical skill. |
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2012-04-18, 12:25 PM | [Ignore Me] #44 | ||
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I voted NO - I would like more realism.
Aircraft in PS1 and Aircraft in BS2 are like apples and oranges, similar as fruit, but different in taste. PS2 Aircraft have ablities that the PS 1 Aircraft did not have. They are more realistic in flight. There is going to be a night and a day time. At night I could see Aircraft using infrared equipment as a side grade to detect infantry on the ground and show up on their radar. In day time it should be strickly Visual Acquisition - or LOS info given by a Infantry FO (Forward Observer) via a Intel net to the aircraft or a lazer targeting system that points at the area the infantry are operational. This makes Infantry and Air work together just as in real life. Once the area is given by the FO - its up to the piliot to take out the infantry. Give the aircraft a weapon thats good enough to kill a small area. Napalm comes to mind. And the smell sucks. The Infantrys job is to stay hidden, and not be LOS to aircraft. Thats realism. Don't make the game so fast that people stop using cover and concealment, and then aircraft can't pawn them with out skill. which brings up -don't make flora - Trees scrubs, weeds ect, that can be turned off by a viedo option. Landscaping should be equal for everyone for realism. And Higby please consider this. What a lot of people love about PS1, not all of them, was the teamwork and working together. Bring back Air defense to take out the aircraft, but don't put it on a tank that has a main gun designed to take out tanks. The Skyguard was often seen moving with the tanks and other ground vehicles you had in ps1. It would be cool to see the whispering death quad 50s, the Duster twin 40s bofors, the Vulcan tracers at night, the Adats missles type systems working alongside the Infantry as well as the Cav troops (Tanks). Throw in some stingers and you have realism. But put an AD weapon on a tank designed to kill tanks. lol no room for ammo lol. It will never happen. If your going to have airforce type units, then you need to have a Air Defense type units to support the Infantry and cav units. Realism and team work thats the key. And for those of you who have not seen team work before then watch this vid. http://dangerousoperationsgroup.com/aboutps.html
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2012-04-18, 07:19 PM | [Ignore Me] #45 | ||
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I see no reason they shouldn't see infantry on radar, so long as it follows the same rules as every other unit. Aircraft are combat vehicles. Part of their job is to kill stuff on the ground. Infantry are also on the ground.
If you're worried about aircav killing infantry, ask for infantry to be able to fight back effectively. Infantry AA, EMP nades that are proximity fused vs aircav, and small arms that do respectable damage to them within a certain distance if they decide to hover. |
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